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1 posted on 05/01/2014 12:36:30 PM PDT by Old Yeller
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This may be the launching pad to structure a good reform bill to dismantle Obamacare. Give voters the same tax benefit as businesses get but give them MORE choice to pick their own plan. It will be a great consumer driven basis. Then free all the restraints set in Obamacare the reduced choice.


2 posted on 05/01/2014 12:39:18 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Old Yeller
Well...

Obama DIDN'T say "If you like your company's health insurance plan, you can keep it.", now did he?

3 posted on 05/01/2014 12:40:52 PM PDT by moovova
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. So it was basically by accident that employer-provided health insurance became the norm in the United States, even though the government came to oversee healthcare in most other developed nations. We may soon go back to a model in which employers provide healthcare more as a perk than as a routine benefit, requiring workers to get insurance from other sources.

So it was just a fluke that companies provided health insurance in the first place, therefore you're not really losing anything if you never legitimately had it in the first place.

4 posted on 05/01/2014 12:41:40 PM PDT by uncitizen
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Some people just don’t get it. This is exactly what the Progressives want. It clears the way for their Single Payer System.


5 posted on 05/01/2014 12:41:49 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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Health care was a lot cheaper back then. If you got seriously sick, you died. Most did not survive cancer. If they did it was after butchery. Breast cancer surgery took the breast, underlying muscle, lymph nodes in the upper arms. Most people did not survive heart attacks. Now we have clotting inhibitors. Today we have MRI, CAT, ultrasound. Medications that were not dreamed of. A lot has changed.


8 posted on 05/01/2014 12:45:06 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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Those greedy Bast***ards. Taking advantage of loopholes in the law to screw employees out of health care to save a dime or two. No compassion.

Thanks goodness we have Obama in charge, someone who cares about us, he really does, I know....
We need he and Liz Warren to *fight* for us.
Like on minimum wage.

String up some employers in public to send the rest of them a warning.
Off with their heads.

Long live Obama, our King.

9 posted on 05/01/2014 12:47:11 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama : 'You can keep your doctor if you want. I never tell a lie ')
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This has actually been the plan all along.


10 posted on 05/01/2014 12:47:15 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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Every politician who opposes Obamacare should be frequently reminding their constituents that the greatest negative impact of Obamacare was put off by one of Obama’s many cowardly moves to avoid the full impact becoming known before the November midterm elections.

But I don’t hear the postponed employer mandate mentioned very often.


11 posted on 05/01/2014 12:47:15 PM PDT by Will88
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Just wait til the real anguish begins, after the election when the employer mandate kicks in, and people see benefits and insurance cancellations like never before. But the important thing is, all the Democrat incumbents who voted for Obamacare will have won re-election by then /s


12 posted on 05/01/2014 12:48:47 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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I can't help but wonder if the reason some in the GOP are reluctant to really do anything about repealing Obamacare is that many large corporations would love to unload their employees on the exchanges.
13 posted on 05/01/2014 12:53:42 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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Thanks to Obama, this has been pushed back (illegally) until after the mid-term elections.


14 posted on 05/01/2014 12:55:34 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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If only there was some way we could have seen this coming...

/s


15 posted on 05/01/2014 12:55:45 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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Get ready for a trip back to the 1950s.

The main difference hasn't anything to do with insurance. What made the difference was, we had a free market in healthcare back then.

Consequently, things were much cheaper in real terms, and you got better service and more accountability. A night in the hospital was less than $20, which adjusted for inflation would be less than $200 in today's dollars. Compare that to 3- to 5,000 today.

It's gov't involvement which is the prime factor for today's healthcare disaster, and it's been eating away for decades (thanks LBJ and the Great Society). Just like with college tuition.

18 posted on 05/01/2014 12:59:06 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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“... companies began to offer health insurance
as a fringe benefit to help recruit workers...
... it was basically by accident that
employer-provided health insurance became the norm ...”
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No, it was government control that started it.
During WWII the federal government froze wages,
and since business could not attract good employees
by offering higher wages, they developed a work-around
and began to offer non-wage benefits like health care,
paid vacations, retirement plans, etc.

Government stated the whole thing by poking their nose
into the free market in the first place.


19 posted on 05/01/2014 1:00:48 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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Thank you Captain Obvious!


21 posted on 05/01/2014 1:01:59 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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22 posted on 05/01/2014 1:03:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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I worked for a major company in the late 1970’s. They did not pay for your insurance but had a plan that you could sign up for and pay yourself through payroll deduction. Cost $50 a month for me and two children - $250 deductible and then 20% co-pay. Kids in all kinds of competitive sports and we were on a first name basis with the local orthopedic and dentist. The employer administered the plan and paid their own claims. Just great coverage.

Considering that it was a privately held firm, although it was world wide, and that the owners were very thrifty, doubt if they subsidized it and wouldn’t have offered it if they weren’t at least breaking even.


24 posted on 05/01/2014 1:05:06 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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Look at all the empty store fronts. Once employing thousands of people. No job thanks to the democrats.


26 posted on 05/01/2014 1:18:14 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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If I remember correctly, the government ALSO had in place wage controls so a market denied its freedom, instead was forced to adjust to government's penalizing companies for offering DOLLAR based salaries regarded as too high. There was a wage ceiling somewhere in the mix, at least early on, if I recall correctly. Companies THEREFORE started offering health insurance as a thing to recruit the best candidates for job openings in lieu of dollars.

Fast forward three or four decades, and expectations shifted such that companies were expected to provide health insurance for employees. Now it has become the government's obligation via taxpayers to provide health care for every single American!

Government is solely a force. It is a force, as George Washington said, that is a "dangerous servant" with potential of becoming a "fearful master."

I will only vote for candidates who advocate for REDUCING GOVERNMENT as the first-line tactic of addressing ANY of America's ills, from moral to economic.

27 posted on 05/01/2014 1:41:34 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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