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To: Argus
Forgiveness is a private matter.

Yes it is. But a reason used for CP is the personal benefit to the families of the victim. That's my argument about forgiveness comes in.

The state exists to do justice on our behalf, and part of that is vengeance.

Well, vengeance has been shown to not be very helpful. The state should not be in business of vengeance but PROTECTION of our lives and freedoms from any source including criminals. So secure incarceration for that reason, IMO, is a valid function of the state.

91 posted on 05/01/2014 1:08:26 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

The state’s role is punishment for crimes. Vengeance, protection, rehabilitation, etc are only the excuses used by society to justify punishment.


96 posted on 05/01/2014 1:16:09 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PapaNew
Well, vengeance has been shown to not be very helpful.

Up above, you commented that vengeance felt good for a while, but that ultimately, only forgiveness would soothe the victims' families.

Since vengeance does therefore seem to be of some benefit, the murder victims' loved ones would be best served by first seeing the killers executed, then forgiving them in time.

97 posted on 05/01/2014 1:18:29 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: PapaNew

Self-protection is our individual responsibility. But private vengeance, or vigilantism, can be problematic. That’s where the state comes in.


123 posted on 05/01/2014 1:44:54 PM PDT by Argus
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