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It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war
The Guardian ^ | 30 April 2014 | Seumas Milne

Posted on 05/01/2014 5:01:06 AM PDT by McGruff

It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all

The threat of war in Ukraine is growing. As the unelected government in Kiev declares itself unable to control the rebellion in the country's east, John Kerry brands Russia a rogue state. The US and the European Union step up sanctions against the Kremlin, accusing it of destabilising Ukraine. The White House is reported to be set on a new cold war policy with the aim of turning Russia into a "pariah state".

That might be more explicable if what is going on in eastern Ukraine now were not the mirror image of what took place in Kiev a couple of months ago. Then, it was armed protesters in Maidan Square seizing government buildings and demanding a change of government and constitution. US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.

"America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the far-right Svoboda party as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.

When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: davos; dcestablishment; eu; globalists; imf; lindseygraham; mccadolf; mccain; ngos; putitler; russia; soros; ukraine
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"America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators...
1 posted on 05/01/2014 5:01:06 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

Like Libya, Like Egypt, like Syria,
these “riots”, for al Qaeda and the MB/DNC/RINO party,
were fabricated by ... Obama, Clinton, Dohrn, and McCain.


2 posted on 05/01/2014 5:03:23 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: McGruff

Seumas Milne is a friggin’ Stalinist. Pretty pathetic when a Freeper resorts to posting his slop for the daily Putin butt-kissing fest.


3 posted on 05/01/2014 5:05:03 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: McGruff

I can’t find fault with the article.

Russia is not going to be “contained” by the West or ordered out of Ukraine.

Its simply not going to happen. Ukraine is on the verge of state collapse and punishing Russia will not avert it.


4 posted on 05/01/2014 5:12:06 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: dirtboy
Seumas Milne is a friggin’ Stalinist.

I have no idea who Seumas Milne is but do you dispute what he reports here.

5 posted on 05/01/2014 5:14:31 AM PDT by McGruff (I'ts not the crime it's the coverup they said.)
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To: McGruff

quote “It’s not Russia that’s pushed Ukraine to the brink of war The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain”

BOOM!

exactly what I argued from the start.


6 posted on 05/01/2014 5:14:57 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: McGruff

good God, why wont that old idiot GO AWAY! (and take Hillary with you !)


7 posted on 05/01/2014 5:17:05 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: McGruff
US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.

Would this administration feel the same way should "masked militants" take over US Gov buildings?

8 posted on 05/01/2014 5:18:18 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: rjsimmon

The way things are going, that might not be a hypothetical.


9 posted on 05/01/2014 5:22:53 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: McGruff

What is stated is exactly what has happened. Putin may have had future designs on Crimea and Ukraine, but he didn’t act until the US/EU began their activist meddling.

Destabilizing the Ukraine has led to a Russian invasion that is taking territory.

That evil cabal in this WH are as bad as the guy Putin.

Poor Ukraine and what a damn mess. Everywhere the O admin sticks their snouts, trouble ensues. The world is afire because of them.


10 posted on 05/01/2014 5:24:27 AM PDT by dforest
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To: McGruff

All true, unfortunately.


11 posted on 05/01/2014 5:24:50 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: McGruff

“I have no idea who Seumas Milne is but do you dispute what he reports here.”

Seumas Milne is a member of the British Communist party devoted to Stalinist Russia. He is a disinformation journalist for the Communist party. Anyone who accepts these propaganda lies in complete disregard of the welath of evidence efuting the bizarre claims amounts to the type of useful fool for Soviet Russia Lenin liked to go on about so much.


12 posted on 05/01/2014 5:28:20 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: goldstategop
Russia is not going to be “contained” by the West or ordered out of Ukraine.

Yep...all these arm chair strategists don't seem to realize that Russia is far larger and more powerful than Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, and North Korea, and won't be treated as such.


13 posted on 05/01/2014 5:28:52 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: WhiskeyX

Thank you !


14 posted on 05/01/2014 5:31:12 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Timber Rattler

No but Russia cannot win another Arms Race. That’s what killed the Soviet Union. Their expansion will lead to that.


15 posted on 05/01/2014 5:32:40 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: dforest

That’s the kicker. My tax dollars and yours are being used to create mischief. Everywhere. For no clear national interest.


16 posted on 05/01/2014 5:34:28 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: McGruff

The Ukrainians ousted a “leader” that was traitorous.


17 posted on 05/01/2014 5:36:27 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DariusBane

Hell, they have already spent your tax dollars and future generation’s tax dollars.

They don’t care at all. They print it and sell our own territory to countries that buy our debt. They kick people off their land to cover the maniac spending and enrich themselves with money and power.

Disgusting.


18 posted on 05/01/2014 5:40:11 AM PDT by dforest
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To: yldstrk

Perhaps we should be doing that here. Why wait for elections? They didn’t over there, although one was on the horizon.


19 posted on 05/01/2014 5:42:21 AM PDT by dforest
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To: WhiskeyX
"US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk."

The above is an absolute fact no matter what you think of the author.

" Both US and British troops are due to take part in Nato military exercises in Ukraine this summer."

Does the author being anything you want to call him make the above a lie?

20 posted on 05/01/2014 5:43:41 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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