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Fearing burglars, Montana man fatally shoots teen exchange student in garage
Pioneer Press ^ | 4-29-14 | Matt Volz and Amy Beth Hanson

Posted on 04/30/2014 5:23:18 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

HELENA, Mont. -- A western Montana man charged in the shooting death of a 17-year-old exchange student in his garage is receiving death threats and is afraid to leave his home, the man's attorney said Tuesday.

Markus Kaarma, 29, was released from jail Monday after posting a $30,000 bond on a charge of deliberate homicide in the death of Diren Dede of Hamburg, Germany. Since then, Kaarma, his partner Janelle Pflager and their 10-month-old baby won't leave their Missoula home after receiving the threats, attorney Paul Ryan said.

"They're really on edge about what's going to happen to them and their baby. They're captives in their own home," he said.

Kaarma is a wildland firefighter for the U.S. Forest Service who moved to Missoula a few months ago. He originally is from Mercer Island, Wash., and he moved to Montana to pursue his dream job in a place where he wants to raise his family, Ryan said.

Kaarma and Pflager's home had been burgled twice since they moved in a few months ago and they were frustrated and disappointed in the lack of police assistance, the attorney said.

Just days before the shooting, Kaarma told a woman that his house had been burglarized a couple of times and he had been waiting up for three nights with his shotgun to shoot "some f------ kid," court records said.

Prosecutors allege Kaarma set up sensors

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To: longtermmemmory
IF this was indeed a trespass and this person was trespassing in the garage, there is no duty to retreat for the home resident. (home is castle)

That varies state by state. He'd be OK in Texas, he'd be in prison for life in NY, MA or MD, but who knows in Montana. Look at the link in post #37 to see what happened in a similar case in Minnesota. It did not end well for the homeowner.

41 posted on 04/30/2014 7:41:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: TurboZamboni

Related. Sounds like the same thing.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3150353/posts


42 posted on 04/30/2014 7:47:29 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("If guns cause crime, there must be something wrong with mine." -Ted Nugent)
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To: TurboZamboni

“Intent” is always part of the law —


43 posted on 04/30/2014 7:47:59 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
If his intent can be collaborated by reliable witnesses because he was a moron and talking about plans, then he gets what he gets.

Otherwise intent is mindreading.May as well charge him with a hate crime,too for hating German nationals.

44 posted on 04/30/2014 7:54:28 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: TurboZamboni

The accomplice who ran off will likely never enter someone’s house again without an invitation...


45 posted on 04/30/2014 7:54:36 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: longtermmemmory
Prosecutors who bring frivolous anti-self defense make example cases should be disbarred.

They should, but this is 0bama's America where the criminals have more rights than the law abiding. Although there isn't anything new here look what happened to Bernie Goetz in 1984 in NYC. The government is determined to stamp out self defense.

The only case I know of where the prosecutor got what he deserved was in the case of the Duke Lacross players, and they were able to pay several million dollars in lawyers fees to defend themselves against a baseless charge and a dishonest prosecutor. Look at George Zimmerman.

The colorful and criminal people and those in the government who want their support don't want you to be able to defend youself against their depredations. I'm surprised the crook who was killed wasn't an "aspiring rapper." I guess he wasn't of the 0bama persuasion.

46 posted on 04/30/2014 7:57:06 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: TurboZamboni

Guess I’m not seeing the problem here. Burglar in a garage, at night, gets shot by homeowner. Isn’t that how it should be?


47 posted on 04/30/2014 8:00:21 AM PDT by lurk
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To: petitfour

But a cop can shoot and kill a burglar with no repercussions.”””

And the BLM can shoot your bulls & cows without remorse.

I am tired of people not being able to protect their property & their possessions.

I worked hard for all of my life to have what I have.

I WILL protect it.


48 posted on 04/30/2014 8:04:48 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: from occupied ga

The homeowner shot one in the head at point blank range after they were no longer a threat and recorded himself taunting before doing so.
(Then he kept the bodies overnight before calling police.)

The 2 cases are not similar other than (possibly)planning for burglars.


49 posted on 04/30/2014 8:05:30 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: lurk

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


50 posted on 04/30/2014 8:11:45 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: cicero2k
Story was printed in (and posted from) the St. Paul newspaper but it was reported by the Associated Press out of Helena (not sure why since the shooting was in Missoula, unless perhaps Helena is the only AP bureau in the state).

Regardless the Missoula paper is probably more liberal than the AP, hard as that is to imagine, and the coverage across Montana carries much the same tone.

There is a ton of crime in Montana's larger cities now, Billings even more so than Missoula, and the police barely manage to show up and take a report.

There is a great deal of frustration about constant break-ins, home invasions and armed robberies, and the lack of response.

This guy would have had a landslide of public support if he hadn't shot his mouth off in advance, and if his wife had kept her yap shut after the fact.

51 posted on 04/30/2014 8:14:53 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: TurboZamboni
The 2 cases are not similar other than (possibly)planning for burglars.

In your opinion anyway. If you won't acknowledge the similarities, then I'm not going to waste my time discussing them with you.

52 posted on 04/30/2014 8:20:27 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I’m familiar with MN deadly force statutes, not Montana’s.

609.065 JUSTIFIABLE TAKING OF LIFE.
The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor’s place of abode.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.065

I don’t think a reasonable person believes someone unarmed and dying in front of you is a threat of death or great bodily harm-if he believed that, he probably wouldn’t come as close as he had to to deliver a ‘kill shot’ under the chin

Sorry if I offended you.


53 posted on 04/30/2014 8:31:01 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: from occupied ga

Yep. He bragged about wanting to kill someone. He’s guilty.


54 posted on 04/30/2014 8:36:41 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Iscool
The accomplice who ran off will likely never enter someone’s house again without an invitation...

If that were the case there wouldn't be nearly as many repeat offenders. Criminals rarely think of the consequences of their actions other than the immediate gratification of whatever their criminal act was.

55 posted on 04/30/2014 8:38:06 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
“You're not allowed to kill burglars just because they're taking your stuff...”

This is why it's important to know your state laws. When I lived in Maryland, I could use deadly force to stop a burglary. Defense of property is considered a legitimate reason for a shooting.

I moved across the river to Virginia, and in spite of the fact that VA has much more reasonable firearms and CCW laws, defense of property is not an exonerating excuse in a shooting. Here it must be the reasonable fear of death or grievous physical harm.

56 posted on 04/30/2014 8:54:26 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
Yep. He bragged about wanting to kill someone. He’s guilty

Guilty or not he's screwed himself big time with that statement. There isn't anyone who isn't going to believe he didn't plan to kill the crook.

57 posted on 04/30/2014 8:54:28 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans

“I had the right to remain silent, just not the ability”- Ron White.


58 posted on 04/30/2014 8:55:51 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: TurboZamboni
Kaarma wanted to kill a kid burglar, so he set a "successful" ambush for the young delinquent.

There's no way he feared for his own life from a kid he wanted to find in his garage. How can you fear something you wanted to have happen?

Kaarma is headed for a homicide conviction.

59 posted on 04/30/2014 9:14:09 AM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: from occupied ga

Yep. Trap set, premeditated intent to kill, spoke about his plans, unarmed perp, blind shots in the dark.

He did it about as stupidly as one could. I doubt the law will be kind to him.


60 posted on 04/30/2014 9:36:25 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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