Posted on 04/29/2014 1:57:58 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
LITTLE FALLS, Minn. (AP/WCCO) — The Little Falls, Minn. man who shot and killed two teenagers after they broke into his home has been found guilty of all four counts of premeditated murder. After roughly three hours of deliberation, the jury found 65-year-old Byron Smith guilty of two counts of first-degree murder and two counts of second-degree murder for the shooting deaths of 18-year-old Haile Kifer and 17-year-old Nick Brady.
(Excerpt) Read more at minnesota.cbslocal.com ...
If I told you what you're missing you'd be quite offended, so I won't.
Unless you're in some brutal war zone where ya can't take prisoners, ya don't execute those who are clearly down, severely wounded and no longer a threat.
I’m not losing any sleep over any idiot in this fiasco.
Might I politely suggest you research this event before “understanding” anything this man did once the 2 were incapacitated and presented no further threat to him.
Well,ya know...in my 60+ years on this planet I've never been present in a dwelling...or *any* structure for that matter...without the consent of someone who was legally empowered to grant me permission to enter and remain.So your scenario has never popped up in my life.
But who knows...Osama Obama just might do enough damage to this nation's economy that I might be forced to begin breaking and entering.And if I do I'll always entertain the possibility of a *really* bad outcome for me.
Let me guess the composition of the jury.
"Before retiring from the U.S. State Department, Smith worked on technical security issues for American embassies, such as building layout and alarms."
He may have thought he swim away since he was "almost a cop" in his former job.
Never mind. I thought the guy had shot them when he was in imminent danger of death or severe injury. Appears that is not so.
Not THIS scenario! The homeowner was waiting for them, the kids were unarmed, and the kids were subsequently executed by the homeowner who had everything carefully planned........
How anyone, including you, could actually defend this act is beyond my comprehension........
“He may have thought he swim away since he was “almost a cop” in his former job. “
- Huh?
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So why was it necessary to bring up Obama as a ridiculous attempt to support the killing of these two kids?
You can do better than that......
"About 10 minutes later, Kifer came downstairs. More shots are heard on the recording.."
The article states,as quoted above,that Keifer "came downstairs".Was he carried downstairs? Did he use a walker? An electric wheelchair? Where's the evidence that he was "incapacitated" as he was coming down the stairs? If,by chance,I should ever find you in my house without my permission I promise you that I will assume that you're a deadly threat to me and mine and will act accordingly.And,in the opposite situation,I'll expect you to take the same attitude.And we both know that you,understandably,will do *exactly* that.
Now he'll have time to reflect on what he did.
Had he simply unloaded into the perps I would agree with you. The problem is he walked up to the girl and shot her in the head point blank. That indicates that he no longer felt threatened by her but decided to kill her anyway. At that point the killing became revenge instead of defense and all the preparations he made (moving his car, setting up the recorder, moving the male’s body so the female couldn’t see it from the stairs) look like premeditation of that revenge killing.
On top of all this, what I have read indicates that he never tried to claim he killed them in the heat of the moment, only that he felt threatened and was therefore justified.
The first shots he fired were fatal, and he chose not to call 911, which is murder in the second degree.
He then followed up with deliberate killshots, which is murder in the first degree.
Wow, you have perfect omniscience.
I guess you, like Byron Smith, also have the right to play God.
From Post #31:
"If,by chance,I should ever find you in my house without my permission I promise you that I will assume that you're a deadly threat to me and mine and will act accordingly.And,in the opposite situation,I'll expect you to take the same attitude.And we both know that you,understandably,will do *exactly* that."
*That* is how can defend it....largely defend it,that is.As I suggested earlier I could probably vote guilty on a charge that would get him 6 months in the can...or a few years probation but *nothing* more.
Cops do it all the time. It’s called speed traps.
She.
Where's the evidence that he was "incapacitated" as he was coming down the stairs?
She was not incapacitated as she started down the stairs.
It was after she was shot in the gut and fell to the bottom of the stairs that she was incapacitated.
Then he walked over to her and fired two more shots into her chest as she was lying collapsed at the bottom of the stairs.
Then he rolled her onto a tarp.
Then he moved her off of the carpet.
Then he went into the next room and got another weapon.
Then he leaned over her while she was gasping for air, and fired a round underneath her chin while he whispered "b!tch" in her face.
It was all the activity after she was gutshot that happened while she was incapacitated.
Like I suggested, you might want to inform yourself about this case.
Kifer is the girl...and as was determined, he laid a trap for them...shot them in the lower torso as they came down the stairs...once he had them both incapacitated, he executed them...one in the face and the other in the chest and under the chin.
Sorry, but laying in wait is premeditation...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/youre-dead-minnesota-homeowner-told-teen-burglar/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/haile-kifer-nicholas-schaeffel-murder_n_2192982.html
His actions were neither reasonable or justified once they were down...he executed them and left them to lie for a day before calling police.
The important part of that sentence came *after* my having referred to Osama Obama....
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