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In the long run, wars make us safer and richer
Washington Post ^ | April 25, 2014 | By Ian Morris

Posted on 04/26/2014 9:34:04 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

Norman Angell, the Paris editor of Britain’s Daily Mail, was a man who expected to be listened to. Yet even he was astonished by the success of his book “The Great Illusion,” in which he announced that war had put itself out of business. “The day for progress by force has passed,” he explained. From now on, “it will be progress by ideas or not at all.”

He wrote these words in 1910. One politician after another lined up to praise the book. Four years later, the same men started World War I. By 1918, they had killed 15 million people; by 1945, the death toll from two world wars had passed 100 million and a nuclear arms race had begun. In 1983, U.S. war games suggested that an all-out battle with the Soviet Union would kill a billion people — at the time, one human in five — in the first few weeks. And today, a century after the beginning of the Great War, civil war is raging in Syria, tanks are massing on Ukraine’s borders and a fight against terrorism seems to have no end.

So yes, war is hell — but have you considered the alternatives? When looking upon the long run of history, it becomes clear that through 10,000 years of conflict, humanity has created larger, more organized societies that have greatly reduced the risk that their members will die violently. These better organized societies also have created the conditions for higher living standards and economic growth. War has not only made us safer, but richer, too. . .

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Ian Morris, a professor of classics at Stanford University, is the author of “War! What is it Good For? Conflict and the Progress of Civilization from Primates to Robots.”
1 posted on 04/26/2014 9:34:04 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

WWI was a good thing. What a fool.


2 posted on 04/26/2014 9:36:39 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Brad from Tennessee

humm: progress through war (or let’s just say human conflict of varied types).

that strikes me as another very good encapsulation of leftist (progressive) ideology and practice.


3 posted on 04/26/2014 9:46:12 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: DManA

Very arguably, everything we see today is the result of WWI.


4 posted on 04/26/2014 9:48:04 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
A delightfully contrarian point of view, although I'm not sure it's intended to be taken entirely seriously. One can always find a point of view whereby war is an advantage, but it's usually by shifting one's perspective to that of the winner.

What we have here is a perspective that shifts from the broad view to the narrow one when it suits the argument. Government is not always preferable to chaos, especially when it's trying to put your carcass into an oven for the Greater Good. Whether that beats a no-government situation in which a marauding barbarian puts a spear into your guts is one of those fine points I won't explore overmuch. Either way, you lose.

What does work is the empowerment of the individual to guard himself and his against both scenarios. If, to do so, he must make war, then once again we have shifted our perspective to the advantage of the fight. I'd offer a slight corrective: apparently we can't avoid it, so we might as well be good at it. That doesn't necessarily extend to celebrating it.

5 posted on 04/26/2014 9:49:34 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I’d like to be safer.

Can we nuke Mecca, Cairo, Jakarta, Karachi and Ankara please?


6 posted on 04/26/2014 9:50:31 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
So yes, war is hell — but have you considered the alternatives?

Yes. War created the United States - an absolute positive for the world in the last 200 years. War ended slavery in the US. War ended the subjugation of Europe and the extermination of the Jews and Gypsies by the Nazis. War has ended genocide in Bangladesh and in the former Yugoslavia since then. War is sometimes necessary for the long-term good of the human race - and those who willfully blind themselves to that fact don't do the human race any favors.
7 posted on 04/26/2014 9:50:51 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Wow, this is a thinly veiled attack on Ronald Reagan.


8 posted on 04/26/2014 9:51:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DesertRhino

I know. If you could go back in time who would you kill?

Hitler or Wilson?

Hard choice.


9 posted on 04/26/2014 9:51:30 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DesertRhino

Can somebody please go back in time and kill Karl Marx’s parents before they meet?


10 posted on 04/26/2014 9:52:45 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; Cicero
When looking upon the long run of history, it becomes clear that through 10,000 years of conflict, humanity has created larger, more organized societies that have greatly reduced the risk that their members will die violently.

This is the logical fallacy, post hoc, ergo propter hoc. The author fails to adduce evidence that the larger, more organized societies would not have been created without the violent conflicts he deems to have been necessary.

11 posted on 04/26/2014 9:53:22 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: DesertRhino
Very arguably, everything we see today is the result of WWI

Agreed. However, I would posit, not that arguable.
12 posted on 04/26/2014 9:58:00 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: DManA
I know. If you could go back in time who would you kill Hitler or Wilson?

Neither would be necessary, if you wasted that poor slob Gavarilo Princip.
13 posted on 04/26/2014 10:02:43 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 98ZJ USMC

I don’t know about that. The poor fools were just itching for a fight.


14 posted on 04/26/2014 10:14:46 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Yes, I agree, The mentally unstable Kaiser with the withered arm was going to cause a conflagration in any case, and a reason would have been found for war.


15 posted on 04/26/2014 10:21:19 PM PDT by Bobalu (What cannot be programmed cannot be physics)
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To: BenLurkin

Don’t forget that damned well in Qom!


16 posted on 04/26/2014 10:22:37 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: DManA
I know. If you could go back in time who would you kill?

Mohammed.

17 posted on 04/26/2014 10:23:20 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

War didn’t create the United States, war largely enslaved Europe until Reagan freed it. Slavery was probably on it’s way out without war.

There are more slaves today than at any other time supposedly.


18 posted on 04/26/2014 10:24:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

In the 20th century some 200+ million people were killed by their own governments, not in wars, so I’m not sure about the claim that modern people are safer.


19 posted on 04/26/2014 10:27:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

He’s a bean counter and it’s true that certain types of wars have a bottom line to them. People like him can reason the human suffering away, while those suffering can’t.


20 posted on 04/26/2014 10:46:46 PM PDT by Usagi_yo
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