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To: GunRunner
"A point of creation would be a place where science broke down. One would have to appeal to religion and the hand of God."
-Steven Hawking
Natural – matter, energy, laws of physics, space, time.
Non-natural (supernatural) – not bound by space, time, matter, energy, or the natural laws of physics.

Natural causes cannot ultimately cause natural processes (circulus in probando).

95 posted on 05/01/2014 9:07:55 AM PDT by Heartlander (We are all Rodeo Clowns now!)
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To: Heartlander
Non-natural (supernatural) – not bound by space, time, matter, energy, or the natural laws of physics.

Why would something that is not bound space, time, matter, energy, or the natural laws of physics be supernatural? If it can be measured, observed, or verified. If it indeed exists, then the laws of physics that will have to change to accommodate it.

If you're trying to appeal to something that cannot be measured, verified, proved, observed, or in any way else make itself open to evidentiary inquiry, then that's called snake oil.

96 posted on 05/01/2014 9:15:53 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Heartlander

Hawking is an atheist by the way.


97 posted on 05/01/2014 9:16:09 AM PDT by GunRunner
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