The answer:
Nathan Bedford's first Maxim of American politics:
All politics in America is not local but ultimately racial
Posted on 04/24/2014 10:09:39 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
(Reuters) - Two Republican U.S. senators who voiced support for a Nevada cattleman in his showdown with federal agents over grazing rights on public land condemned the rebellious rancher's remarks about whether African-Americans would be "better off as slaves."
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“The bigger picture is that the leftists are using their playbook, Alinsky’s rules for radicals against this man in order to isolate him and polarize support for what he represents and many on FR are taking the bait...”
Bingo. 100% correct. Amazing how some Freepers so easily dump someone everyone here should be totally for. Amazing.
I hadn’t noticed the tagline. Amazing hypocrisy!
Killed his cattle, how stupid. Sell them and deduct from the bill he owes. Outraged as a taxpayer quite aside from his more specific issues.
“You do a lot of projecting there, snarkyboob.”
Nope. I just can see a bigger board.
This was a dumb way to fall for Mr. Bundy.
He was winning public opinion and he blew it.
You saying it shouldn’t matter doesn’t change the fact that the goodwill he had garnered is now gone.
There were a number of ways he could have expressed the very opinion without bringing race into it. Without it being offensive. He didn’t do that. There isn’t very much of a defense for what he actually did.
He could have said:
My family has been ranching here for over 100 years. I see the current trend of depending on government and I see the downside of that. I see young people with less opportunity and less freedom. I learned at an early age to be self reliant and that’s something I wish for all citizens.
More self reliance, more freedoms, more accountability. I’m an old cowboy, and that’s the cowboy code.
He didn’t say that...he brought up race.
What a dumbass.
The BLM wanted to sell them. They were going to take them to an auction house in Utah but the auction house wouldn’t accept them. No papers you see. Auction houses don’t buy cattle from rustlers.
It’s “amazing” to me that so many “astute” FReepers are clutching their pearls and hiding behind skirts when the race card is played by the leftists...I thought we were fighters here on FR...but this subject sure is bringing a lot of folks out of the shadows...
If you mean Rand Paul, so much of what Rand Paul says agrees with the media.
This is something entirely new. Mobs actions in past generations were largely due to uninformed populaces that were egged on by some activist.
Today, with all the information overload, it seems that people still remain woefully uninformed. Thus are subject to participating in mob like behavior in spite of the information at their fingertips.
When and if I ever figure out why, I will write a book about it...lol
“It’s “amazing” to me that so many “astute” FReepers are clutching their pearls and hiding behind skirts when the race card is played by the leftists...I thought we were fighters here on FR...but this subject sure is bringing a lot of folks out of the shadows...”
Being a fighter is different than getting in a pi$$ing match.
See post #64
Several issues here in my opinion:
i) Is it true he said this? I could easily come and claim that I overheard you say XYZ, when it is not the case. I personally hold the need for evidence at a very high level, no matter who/what/where ...tell me Obama is a sot and I will still ask for evidence, although in his case it wouldn't be hard to get. So, did he actually say this?
ii) Let's assume he said it. Ok, he did. Let us even make it worse and claim he advocated for the killing and eating of newborns! Fact is, the case he has against the Fed is still valid. One thing I have noted is that many people lump issues together, which the media is trying to do here. An example: you find a great mechanic who is able to fix your car and do it with great efficacy at a throw-away price, but then you discover that in his free time, when he is at his home, he likes to spend his time going through Playboy magazines. So what! You are not after his services to find out what his reading, and other, habits are ...you are there to get your darn jalopy fixed! By the way this is something I have also seen with Conservatives, especially in the last election. You have a Conservative politician in the running, someTHING is revealed about him and her, everyone abandons him, and then move on to the next Conservative in the running. They also find someTHING 'wrong' with him, dump him, and move on to the next. When the story is over virtually ALL the Conservatives running had been in the lead, all had fallen off, and the person left was Mitt Romney, who everyone will admit is not a Conservative.
iii) As for the actual statement - assuming it is true - the man had every right to say it. Additionally, he makes good points (and I say this as a black man). However, in everything there is wisdom required. I have every right to say anything I want, but I also need the wisdom to see whether saying so would disadvantage me in an area I consider more important. For instance, at a job interview I may decide to say that I consider the office decor a throwback to the 70s, and that the interviewer definitely needs a breathmint (or ten) ...and it may be true. Is it necessary? Nope. Is it wise? Well, considering what my greater purpose is for me to be there, no it is not.
“I see the current trend of depending on government and I see the downside of that. I see young people with less opportunity and less freedom. I learned at an early age to be self reliant and that’s something I wish for all citizens.
More self reliance, more freedoms, more accountability. I’m an old cowboy, and that’s the cowboy code.”
Funny. What you say here is what Bundy is. Self reliant, and not depending on government. And wanting the heavy hand of gov’t out of his life. And pointing out the obvious, that blacks are on a Democrat Plantation, still depending on gov’t for freebies and handouts. Not all, but many, and voting 90 plus for their Masters, the Dems.
You should praise Bundy, not insult him. He is living what you claim to be. And calling it like he sees it, and is totally correct in what he said about Blacks, to boot. You must subscribe to the politically correct doctrine of what can and can’t be said.
It is an enigma.
Isolate, marginalize and destroy.
Mr. Bundy is a private citizen who is perfectly entitled to give his opinion on a subject...he’s no politician and I still stand by what he represents in the grander scheme of things...the fight against not only an out of control government, but now leftists who are determined to besmirch and denigrate an otherwise honorable man...because he dared to stand up to those vermin in Washington.
And many so-called FReepers who deign themselves to be “enlightened” would deny this man any support because they are willingly walking into the trap the leftists have set...
Actually the Reuters article says that the protesters succeeded in making the government release the cattle who were all alive. Do you have newer information, please put a link here for us?
He isn’t claiming that that is his life he is saying that that is what Bundy “should” have said. He’s so egotistical that he thinks others should mold themselves to his idea or perfection of forfeit his support.
The answer:
Nathan Bedford's first Maxim of American politics:
All politics in America is not local but ultimately racial
Population by race:
White: 224,000,000
Black: 39,000,000
Hispanic: 50,400,000
Number of people on Food Stamps by race.
White: 19,475,000
Black: 17,100,000
Hispanic: 8,550,000
Percent of population on Food Stamps by Race:
White: 8.6%
Black: 43.8%
Hispanic: 17%
Source: USDA, US Census Bureau, US Dept of Agriculture.
White People Make Up 42% of the Poor, But Take in Whopping 69% of Government Benefits
” He spoke his mind in the way that he speaks”
Yep. And it probably just cost him everything. Public opinion will turn on him like a rabid weasel.
“He didn’t pick the fight that he is in and his supporters (not you, you never were) didn’t pick him.”
No. I don’t pick him. He’s too damn dumb to follow.
“Whine and bitch while people put their lives on the line. No one needs you. You have nothing to offer.”
This will be won or lost at the ballot box and in the court of public opinion. Like it or not, that’s the reality of it.
So go ahead and stick to what feels right for you. But that’s the same thing that makes you naturally feel like crouching when you walk up on a cougar...and that’s exactly the wrong thing to do.
He should have prepared before he went on national TV.
He had a great cause on a couple of different levels.
He blew that on a stupid remark that could have been easily avoided while getting the same point across.
Full frontal charges into machine guns is just not smart.
Now go away. I find your position tedious and un-teachable.
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