BREAKING: Russia 'forced' to launch military drills at border in response to Ukraine op - Moscow

RT ^ | 4-24-2014 | RT

[McGruff]

And the Kyiv Post isn’t the same for Ukraine?

[Dr. Thorne]

The people of the world have to stop submitting to the corrupt, pedophile, thieving, debt slavers that are “financial elites”.

And submit to the freedom-loving Putin? I hope Ukrainians will stand against ALL oppressors including Putin.

[Dr. Thorne]

I don't think the Kyiv Post is designed for Western readers although we may read it. RT is designed to sell falsehood to people just like us - people who oppose Obama and his statist henchmen. It is clearly effective from the evidence I see on FR.

We need to remember that although we detest Obama, we love America and should not believe lies that feed into our anger.

[PieterCasparzen]

You don’t think American news media is propaganda ?

What do you know about the Washington Post ?

[Genoa]

All media everywhere need to be used carefully. If the Kyiv Post, for example, reports that a government official said something, it is just that: a report that someone said something. Insofar as that constitutes a piece of information, it’s valuable. A separate question is whether it’s a true statement.

[PieterCasparzen]

American trades with Russia to the tune of BILLIONS.

Would you say the Chinese regime is repressive, or a wonderful republic ?

Do I have to tell you how much we trade with them ?

These “enemies” of the US...

are only mentioned by the “conservative” media and pundits WHEN THEY WANT THE CONSERVATIVE SHEEPLE TO SUPPORT A NEW WAR.

Do they give a rats behind about conservatives other than that ?

No, they sell us down the river to every police state, statist, communist scheme the US government puts in place over the people of America.

So I WILL NEVER BE CONVINCED that the people calling for attacking Russia and HELPING THE POOR UKRAINIANS JOIN THE EU don’t have enslavement of the Ukrainians in mind. They don’t want to free them from Russia, they want to enslave them to the EU.

Ukraine ALREADY trades - billions worth - with BOTH EU and Russia.

So this is NOT about trade.

The EU is simply slowly, methodically GROWING.

Even a hick American like me can read this article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_union

and see that IT JUST KEEPS GROWING, ABSORBING SMALL COUNTRIES.

DUHH..... I WONDER WHAT THEY’RE DOING.

I may be dumb but I ain’t stupid.

Let the Ukrainians keep trading with Russia and the EU.

If the EU can’t absorb them, tough.

If Ukraine is smart, they will stop their government from BORROWING MORE AND MORE AND MORE.

Eventually, it gets to $18 trillion.

Then, you’re screwed.

[Dr. Thorne]

You seem to be on Russia's side. Putin is a thug. Russia remains our enemy. As far as I'm concerned, you are trying to drum up support for Putin. Sorry, Pete. I won't bite on the "Fortress America" crap, not in this modern age. It's childish and self-defeating.

Opposing Putin's czarist lust is not equal to supporting American globalism. The bad guys deserve to get punched in the nose. Those who won't do it are cowards.

[Genoa]

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-66-russia-warns-it-will-respond-to-anti-terror-op/#2433

The Guardian points to this live blog with photos and video. The Institute of Modern Russia is a think tank with HQ in US.

[tcrlaf]

I’ve been following the Interpreter live blog since the overthrow.

“The Diplomat”, and Al-Jezeera also have updated live blogs going.

[1rudeboy]

I’ve never seen anyone develop that argument: Russia Today is “ok” because of the Washington Post? How come no one ever argues that the Washington Post is “ok” because of Russia Today?

[McGruff]

3 #Russian helicopters violated #Ukraine airspace in Luhansk today, says P. Poroshenko (MP and President Candidate) http://censor.net.ua/n282546

Oops. Bad map.

[Genoa]

Kyiv Post: Chief editor of Russia Today tweets “Ukraine. R.I.P.”
https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/459391452930641920/photo/1

[tcrlaf]

“Chief editor of Russia Today tweets “Ukraine. R.I.P.””

What does she know, that isn’t public yet???

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Ukraine should just lay back and enjoy it?

[PieterCasparzen]

Right, you didn’t. Because I never said RT is “ok” because of WaPo.

I was simply noting that unfortunately American news is propaganda just as much as RT is.

A pot vs. kettle thing.

So if we’re eliminating posting sources that frequently include deception and propaganda in them, we’d have a fairly empty FR. If I’m going to dismiss RT because they’ve printed deceptions, I’d have to dismiss just about every news outlet, because most of them attempt to deceive.

Even though there are printed deceptions, there may also be true facts and assertions mixed in news articles.

Personally (and I believe most people do this), instead of ignoring all but some precious few “favored” news sources, I read stories in WaPo if they come up in my searches. If I find interesting facts and assertions, I will from time to time post links to WaPo articles.

I don’t dismiss every single word they print as untrue, even though I know they have a history deception.

I go through the articles I may come across and see what facts they purport, go and try to independently verify those purported facts from another source, then try to deduce whether I think the purported facts are true or not.

They may make assertions; same thing, compare and contrast with other sources, do some logical analysis.

One simply does not prove an assertion or claim false by claiming that the source always tells falsehoods.

[1rudeboy]

Her fault for dressing provocatively.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

Has someone woken the EU yet?

[1rudeboy]

When someone picks apart WP . . . good, FR functioning as intended.
When someone picks apart RT . . . change the subject to WP.

[Genoa]

What does she know, that isn’t public yet???

My exact question. Maybe she'll be tweeting that too.

[PieterCasparzen]

You seem to be on Russia's side. Putin is a thug. Russia remains our enemy. As far as I'm concerned, you are trying to drum up support for Putin. Sorry, Pete. I won't bite on the "Fortress America" crap, not in this modern age. It's childish and self-defeating.

Opposing Putin's czarist lust is not equal to supporting American globalism. The bad guys deserve to get punched in the nose. Those who won't do it are cowards.

Me no support war, me coward.

You smart man. You realize cold war never over. We keep fighting. Need to keep them global food and energy markets making big dough for dem Blythe Masters peoples.

You doctor, you smart. You know just a spontanemas demonstration of dem Ukranes wantsta go get themselves somma dat Ur-o-pean big money. Yeah, big dollars, we all be rich like Amerika ! Yee-haa ! Everything free in America... for a small fee in America !!!!

It will be different this time. This will be the "right war". No backroom deals of bigshots. Just the poor little Ukrainian farmers - they will be rich ! The elites don't want to enslave them with debt and taxes. That's a conspiracy theory ! It's nuts ! This time is gonna be good ol' socialism, straight up. We can bomb, and bomb and bomb... and bomb. Oh, how glorious. Bodies piled up, every building a pile of rubble. I love it ! Ahhhh, nothing like a good war ! Not to mention the reconstruction. Ahh, the reconstruction. The billions we could make, wow, would that be nice.

Maybe instead you could buy a ticket to Moscow, and go there and punch Putin in the nose. You're no coward. I bet you'd walk right up to him and punch him in the nose.

Old Barroso, the old communist and best bud of GW Bush in the Iraq wars, he would like that. But he'd probably wax poetic about the good old days when the US was kickin' ass an takin' names in the name of globalism.