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CARSON: When government looks more like foe than friend [The Continuing Education of Ben Carson, MD]
The Washington Times ^ | April 22, 2014 | Ben S. Carson

Posted on 04/23/2014 5:43:11 AM PDT by sitetest

Edited on 04/23/2014 5:45:01 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; banglist; bencarson; blm; bundy; guncontrol; gungrabber; guns; oppression; secondamendment; tyranny
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To: sitetest
I think now that he's out of the cocoon of Johns Hopkins Hospital and in a world where extreme systemic complexity and regulation of action and behavior [especially as forced on us by the government] don't work as well as they did in the rarefied air at Johns Hopkins, he's learning new things.

I can see that. Not knowing him personally keeps me from being sure. But I'm giving him the benefit of every pivotal question until he proves me wrong.
21 posted on 04/23/2014 6:42:05 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: sitetest

I’m saying it’s Constitutional for people to govern themselves and their states. That’s the 10th Amendment.

When Dr. Carson made his remarks he said he wasn’t talking about Ranchers. He was talking about areas in his own city.

I myself don’t care to impose my views on people thousands of miles away. But to each their own.


22 posted on 04/23/2014 6:51:54 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: Resettozero
Dear Resettozero,

I've never met Dr. Carson personally. I have worked and met with on many occasions one of his proteges, who performed the pediatric neurosurgery on my son. For the past six years, I have had the privilege to watch Hopkins up close, and personal, to see how they operate.

As someone with a graduate degree in management, I find Hopkins’ systems absolutely fascinating, as well as exemplary. The skill and coordination that went into my son's surgery was beyond my imagining. Their other systems are also impressive. They handle thousands of individuals daily, from checking folks in, to getting them tests and MRIs and things, to scheduling surgeries, making sure they happen, to getting folks needed nursing care in-patient, to making sure they have the right prescriptions, and on and on. They complete these thousands of tasks daily, all fraught with potential for mistakes and errors, efficiently and effectively, in a timely way, usually without a second glance, and often with a note of courtesy and personal kindness.

Living in that world for several decades, someone might get the idea that everyone who attempts to set up large, complex systems does as good a job as Hopkins.

As those of us who live daily in the real world, we know that the government at any level never meets such standards. In part for this reason, the government that governs best is the government that governs least.

I think that perhaps this may be part of Dr. Carson's continuing education.


sitetest

23 posted on 04/23/2014 6:59:02 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Have his views really changed, or is he just trying to say what he thinks people want to hear?

How does he get from wanting to ban assault weapons to thinking they are needed to defend against government in a matter of a couple weeks?

I’ve been around long enough to know that isn’t how it works in real life, a 180 deg change doesn’t happen that fast.


24 posted on 04/23/2014 7:02:16 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: BeadCounter

The 10th can’t be used to overrule the 2nd.

The same law applies to WY and MD.


25 posted on 04/23/2014 7:06:55 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Beagle8U
Dear Beagle8U,

Actually, I sort of expected Dr. Carson's to evolve, and not so much from a desire to become politically-viable as from knowing whence he came (a huge, successful, university hospital system known for its excellence).

He has a long-running experience of large, bureaucratic, planned-out organizations that manage to attempt and succeed at great things on a daily basis. I'm sure that he had the technocrat’s optimism, initially, that all men are of good will, and if one merely does what one needs to “fix the system” through the application of technology and the science of management, all will be well.

I believe that it is likely that reality is disabusing him of this notion. Not all men are of good will, especially among those who wish to rule us in government. Not all men are intelligent enough to actually create, develop, or adjust large systems to make them work correctly. Especially in government (see: healthcare.gov). Because he actually is as smart as they say he is, he's become a quick learner.

Anyway, that's my story, and I'm stickin’ to it. ;-)


sitetest

26 posted on 04/23/2014 7:10:07 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Beagle8U

In Maryland you are required to have a permit for a handgun, in Wyoming, you aren’t. So the laws are different.


27 posted on 04/23/2014 7:20:05 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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In Maryland, Texas too, Carry Permits are required, in Wyoming they aren’t. The laws are already different.


28 posted on 04/23/2014 7:21:35 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BeadCounter

I’ve read only posts 1-28 on this thread and find in them comments for and against Carson which on FR would be expected but the weight of the comments seems to be against him.

I just have a couple observations:

1. Hillary might indeed run and IF SHE DOES she might win. Think of that long and hard, not dismissively.

2. Carson can likely win, experts claim, 20-50% of the black vote guaranteeing him victory.

So, fellow freepers, would you rather have Hillary in the Whitehouse with BJC down the hall or Dr. Ben Carson?

Let me presume to answer for nearly all Freepers! No, the answer is so painfully obvious I shouldn’t have to.

For myself, I prefer Cruz most of all, then Palin and I sure like Gowdy.

But, I’m beginning to believe Carson MAY BE our ACE IN THE HOLE cuz the dims start out on Election Day with 45%, or thereabouts, of the dumbed down room temperature American Electorate heading to their polling place to vote several times for Hillary or some other dim! Indeed, “at this point, what difference does it make”, one dim is as bad as another! “ We MUST defeat them in 14 & 16 to save this country!


29 posted on 04/23/2014 7:48:20 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: BeadCounter

Laws can be different, but there are limits what a state can do. MD can require a permit for a handgun, but they can’t outlaw them.


30 posted on 04/23/2014 7:54:34 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: sitetest; AllAmericanGirl44; Bigg Red; duckman; EDINVA; ELS; fatnotlazy; gaijin; Graewoulf; ...
Thanks for posting and for your appropriate comment, sitetest.

Ben Carson *Ping*

Ben Caron photo BenCarson_zps8b233ca1.jpg

Please Freepmail to get on or off this list…

31 posted on 04/23/2014 8:07:53 AM PDT by jazusamo
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To: Beagle8U

Permits to carry is a form of gun control and gun grabbing as well though. Some people won’t get those permits.


32 posted on 04/23/2014 8:09:37 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: sitetest

Thank you, now! That was very good information.

R2z


33 posted on 04/23/2014 8:11:37 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: sitetest

What does he expect the ‘rebels” of 1775 to have done without their arms? Blacks would not have been enslaved if they had the appropriate arms.


34 posted on 04/23/2014 8:16:43 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: BeadCounter

Take them to court, others have and won.


35 posted on 04/23/2014 8:19:48 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: Ms. Blunt

How would it help us to have the Feds, which is Chock Full O’ Nuts, deciding who is sane enough to own a weapon?


36 posted on 04/23/2014 8:28:38 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman
How would it help us to have the Feds, which is Chock Full O’ Nuts, deciding who is sane enough to own a weapon?

Because he said nothing about the Feds to begin with.

That's what I think the problem is, people aren't really aware of what he said. All he spoke about is people governing themselves. State and local.

37 posted on 04/23/2014 8:33:55 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: jazusamo

Thanks!


38 posted on 04/23/2014 8:41:33 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Cen-Tejas

I have no problem with Carson running as vice-pres with Cruz, Palin, or Gowdy but replacing Obozo who has been very successful at destroying our country with another black guy we really know little about, I don’t think it is very wise.
Why would we want any member of any bureaucracy, from school to John Hopkins that is all he has known, running our government, be they black, white or purple? We have tried this once and look where we are now.


39 posted on 04/23/2014 8:43:14 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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I’m not for gun control of any sort, all I’m doing is giving Dr. Carson the benefit of the doubt. I also believe State and Local Governments should have the rights to govern themselves. They already regulate a lot of this and have for a long time. I sure wouldn’t want the State, City of New York telling me what I can and can not have.

In the end, the Constitution should be the guide.

These articles highlight the kerfuffle with Carson pretty well.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/03/04/dr-ben-carson-your-right-to-own-a-semiautomatic-should-depend-on-where-you-live/

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/conservative-hero-ben-carson-to-beck-you-have-no-right-to-semi-automatic-weapons-in-large-cities/

http://therightscoop.com/uh-oh-dr-ben-carson-not-sure-you-should-be-able-to-own-a-semi-automatic-weapon-if-you-live-in-populated-area/


40 posted on 04/23/2014 8:45:27 AM PDT by BeadCounter
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