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To: Da Bilge Troll
You still have not answered my question. How are you going to ensure that the new laws, and the current constitution are followed? So what if they haven't gotten around to violating term limits for the president?

The feds violate the laws and Constitution every day, just because they have not yet got around to violating a law doesn't mean they won't when they decide to. And the mere fact that one law is followed while many more are not, is totally irrelevant to the question of how to make the Feds stay within the constitution.

What's to be done about an out of control, overreaching, illegal acting government? Figure that out, and you might be able to enforce any new rules that are needed, or you may find that the new rules aren't even necessary.

Rememeber Al Capone? Do you think passing a bunch of laws would have made him any less violent or willing to obey laws? Well we are dealing with a bunch of people in the Government that are just as entrenched in their illegalities as was he and his ilk.

Still he was taken down, had his day in court, and died in prison. There should be a way to accomplish it without violence, we just haven't figured it out yet.

So when you figure out how to make sure laws are obeyed, let me know, till then it's useless to be adding in yet more laws to be ignored and broken.

53 posted on 04/25/2014 3:42:49 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes
"You still have not answered my question. How are you going to ensure that the new laws, and the current constitution are followed?"

If we implement changes like a state repeal amendment, then the states will have to enforce it.

Anything is better than violence because it will achieve nothing but despotism anyway. Likewise, doing nothing - or doing the same old thing - will accomplish nothing. If an Article V convention accomplishes nothing then at least we have lost nothing. At least we tried.

54 posted on 04/26/2014 11:55:57 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: greeneyes
"So when you figure out how to make sure laws are obeyed, let me know, till then it's useless to be adding in yet more laws to be ignored and broken."

No doubt. THE only way I see back is through massive civil and State disobedience. Unfortunately, that would take a Ronald Reagan type communicator to coalesce the right with the moderates and maybe even some Reagan type Dims. Maybe Ted Cruz?

The low information voters won't pay attention, but if enough informed on both political sides got behind such a movement, then just maybe we would see some results. Keep in mind how the grassroots TEA Party has changed the political landscape.

Many States are now fighting against Fedgov largess. I read every day about States working to change their own Constitution to re-establish their sovereignty...a few are even talking about succession. Of course that won't happen, but anti-Fedgov talk is increasing by the day. Even some hard core Dims are talking against Obama's over-reaching power.

Disobedience against Fedgov, especially Executive Orders, and erroneous un-Constitutional rulings by the Supreme Court is the way back. Think how a few cowboys on horses stopped the Feds during the Bundy episode.

72 posted on 05/28/2014 3:56:36 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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