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To: lodi90

You completely miss my point, and make my point, at the same time.

Yet again, WE have to supply the troops, and the treasure, because no one is afraid of the other paper tigers in NATO.

Why do WE have to carry the burden, instead of Italy? Or Oil money-rich Norway?

Isn’t long past time they start carrying the burden for Europe’s defense?


16 posted on 04/18/2014 3:32:51 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: tcrlaf

Why? You really do not understand?

The answer is because it’s far safer and less costly for us in the long run for Europe to be (relatively) happy & fat, yet militarily weak, while we take care of most of the defense load and maintaining order. Up until Europe became dependent on energy from Russia, topped off by Obambi taking the reigns, this worked a heck of a lot better than anything in the last several hundred years has. Nukes only up the ante - I shudder to think of what history would have been had The Bomb been available to the Europe of 1935.

Too many assume that the Euro-weenies are naturally that way. They are not - it is merely a thin veneer we imposed on them after WW2.


41 posted on 04/18/2014 10:36:10 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: tcrlaf

In fairness to Italy, in any location away from land-based Russian air support, the Italian Navy could put Russia’s Black Sea Fleet (other than subs) on the bottom in short order.

Whether that will hold up, as Italy has been making big defense cuts recently, remains to be seen.


48 posted on 04/18/2014 11:47:45 PM PDT by Paul R. (Leftists desire to control everything; In the end they invariably control nothing worth a damn.)
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To: tcrlaf

we have to supply to money and troops because Europe has none of either because it spent all it’s money on welfare programs and on placating union thugs.


59 posted on 04/19/2014 6:04:24 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: tcrlaf

Agree.


88 posted on 04/19/2014 9:04:12 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: tcrlaf

tcrlaf;

If you were 1/10th as smart as you think you are, you would realize why we don’t want Europe taking a leading role in militaristic concerns.

It hasn’t had the aptitude to do much else than wind up starting world wars for going on a full century now. How many centuries would it take for you to get up to speed on that fact?

We had nearly 70 years of relative peace in the European theater. Any guesses why? Evidently not.

Like it or not, we have been the world’s police unit for the last 70 years. I think we did a relatively good job of it. Now you want to shake things up, and get it back to the 1917/1930s model. Ah, no thanks.

When we go in, we don’t take land and make it part of the United States. The European model isn’t the same.

You should be very happy the United States is in this position, instead of carping like a nine year old girl about it.


100 posted on 04/20/2014 9:04:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Immigration Reform is job NONE. It isn't even the leading issue with Hipanics. Enforce our laws.)
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