Posted on 04/17/2014 6:42:06 PM PDT by Kaslin
The showdown between federal authorities and rancher Cliven Bundy, his family and supporters in Nevada is one of those rare topics from the libertarian-conservative news agenda that actually made its way into the establishment media. Between last Thursday and Monday, ABC, CBS and NBC gave the story a total of nearly 16 minutes of coverage on their morning and evening newscasts.
Network journalists have consistently framed the case as one of a rancher failing to pay the requested fees for his use of government land. But they have failed to use the case to tell the larger story of how environmental rules — in this case, regulations to protect the desert tortoise, have been implemented in ways that help favored interests (land developers, or solar companies) while hurting others (cattle ranchers, for example).
The networks have focused on the amount of money the government has demanded of Cliven Bundy, and let the Bundy side talk about the government’s heavy-handed tactics in seeking collection. On Saturday’s Good Morning America, for example, ABC’s Mike Boettcher framed the story this way: “For 20 years, rancher Cliven Bundy has refused to pay rent to herd his cattle on government land, $1.1 million in grazing fees.”
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And I heard on Fox even if Bundy now agreed to pay the fees, they would not agree to let his heard back on the land.
A country or two have had beginnings about unfair, unjust, an unethical taxes or fees.
So how do you think he’ll do in court?
In other words, unfair and how I can sympathize with his plight, he’s going to lose this battle in the end. Or at least get a lawyer who will take on the Federal government and that sounds pretty slim to win.
I get it. Not fair. Big government. Crooked government yes, but...
if you had a business and didn’t pay the required fees and kept on running the business what would YOU think would eventually happen? Financial ruin.
I’m pretty practical, I would not do this. He kind of turned his back and waited for the wolf to come to the door. Not a good plan.
The cattle grazing rights were fraudulently extinguished in the 90’s. He was not supposed to be grazing, hence no fees.
“The cattle grazing rights were fraudulently extinguished in the 90’s. He was not supposed to be grazing, hence no fees.”
So if the grazing rights were FRAUDULENTLY extinguished wouldn’t that mean they are still in effect?
“He was not supposed to be grazing...but he was? So then he has to pay fees, because the grazing rights were FRAUDULENTLY extinguished?
This is confusing. Do you have a source for these rights even being fraudulently extinguished? I’m going to look for it but if you know...
but’ FRAUDULENTLY extinguished, suggests they are still in effect?
He’d likely lose, but that doesn’t mean laws are right or correct. I’d suspect many if not most of the ranchers do not agree with the government and agree with Bundy, but the other ranchers pay the fees as to avoid the harassment.
It’s a financial windfall for government to get income for actually doing next to nothing.
The desert shrubs and plants were there way before the US was ever a country. The government does not water the desert shrubs. The government does not pay for fertilizers for the shrubs. The government does not pay for the sunshine to grow the grassy shrubs. The desert shrubs naturally grow back year after year and century after century despite being eaten by cows. The government has no overhead to pay for as the land custodian. No, the whole thing is an easy money maker for the government bureaucrats to spend as they see fit. This country was built on the premise of honest men working in government, which is no where near happening (see Harry Reid) in the hear and now.
https://www.hcn.org/issues/44.16/one-sagebrush-rebellion-flickers-out-or-does-it
Depends on who you talk to and on just who's mouth the Law comes from these days.
he refused to pay fees to the feds because they weren't doing their job and they were trying to destroy him.
Look up the related Wayne Hage case.
There is also water rights involved, states rights, state sovreignity etc
The government does not pay to have the rancher’s cattle collect, concentrate and distribute food and water to the tortoises across the desert.
Reason I am so particular is I know a bunch of Dems who are claiming he’s just not paid his fees...indicating he’s a deadbeat, and it’s not said nicely.
I’d like to understand it better.
I sympathize with the rancher but if I had to represent him legally...going to be a tough go.
Will look up the Wayne Hage case.
This is a brave man who, along with his family, friends and supporters are facing down a corrupt federal Leviathan.
Ask yourself why the federal government would spend millions of dollars, send hundreds of federal agents armed with automatic weapons in full battle rattle, dogs, drones, helicopters, planes, heavy equipment; essentially everything tthat we used to use to fight jihadis, all to collect a couple hundred thousand dollars in disputed fees.
All the while facilitating the invasion of the US by tens of millions of illegal aliens and arming mexican drug cartels and al queda.
But if you have to, remind them that all their friends were destroying property, destroying businesses, killing people (spiked timber) destroying families and long established settlements (all acts of breaking the law) to get their prize entitlement . . . The endangered species act.
So you know what. Even i say Mr. Bundy is clearly wrong by the letter of the law. The law be damned, these people set out to destroy him 30 plus years ago and he stood up to them. He is the last man standing in his area.
First lesson I learned in my Political Science class in 1970. If you want to change a law you must break the law. I have watched the communist break all the laws and get away with it with impunity.
Most ranchers that I know prefer a hide brand to ear tags, especially if the livestock are out in open range land. We still have rustlers out here in the West and swapping ear tags is a quick and easy thing to do when you’re looking to grab some fast money.
I just posted the following on another thread where the entire 1939 essay on the New Deal is (see my tagline!).
I figured there would be a parallel from the essay on the Bundy Ranch affair. And there is:
“Business is in itself a power. In a free economic system it is an autonomous power, and generally hostile to any extension of government power. That is why a revolutionary party has to do something with it....Always in business there will be a number, indeed, an astonishing number, who would sooner conform than resist [49 out of 50 ranchers in Bundy’s county?], and besides these there will be always a few more who may be called the Quislings of capitalism. Neither Hitler nor Mussolini ever attempted to liquidate business. They only deprived it of its power and made it serve.
“How seriously the New Deal may have considered the possibility of liquidating business we do not know. Its decision, at any rate, was to embrace the alternative; and the alternative was to shackle it.
In his second annual message to Congress the President said: “In the past few months, as a result of our action, we have demanded of many citizens that they surrender certain licenses to do as they please in their business relationships; but we have asked this in exchange for the protection which the State can give against exploitation by their fellow men or by combinations of their fellow men.”
“....There, unconsciously perhaps, is a complete statement of the revolutionary thesis. It is not a question of law. It is a question of power. There must be a transfer of power. The President speaks not of laws; he speaks of new instruments of power, such as would provide shackles for the liberties of the people if they should ever fall in other hands. What then has the government done? Instead of limiting by law the power of what it calls economic autocracy the government itself has seized the power.”
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