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VIDEO: Ukrainian Army Armored Column Defects To Pro-Russians In Kramatorsk
Youtube/Twitter ^ | 4-16-2014 | TCRLAF

Posted on 04/16/2014 12:58:27 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Seen several tweets of this over the last hour, and now this vid of the defection is posted on YouTube.

The column had apparently been surrounded by several hundred pro-Russian civilians inside of Kramatorsk, with several older women linked arm-in-arm to prevent it's passing

At about 8:50, you can see the commander arguing with someone on the phone..


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: civilwar; newrussia; novorossiya; russia; ukraine
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To: Corporate Democrat

If you mean Eastern Ukrainian Russians, that’s probably right - as for the Russian ones - many are ok with the Crimea and don’t want anything more.


141 posted on 04/17/2014 4:07:32 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: hubel458

Yes, but at some point moving east to west, sympathy & affinity for Russia diminishes, correct?


142 posted on 04/17/2014 4:13:18 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: hubel458

They can still have a powerful military and prosperity; we do it as do the Swiss and Israel. Start conscripting young men and build up a credible military reserve system.


143 posted on 04/17/2014 4:15:20 AM PDT by MSF BU (n)
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To: Freelance Warrior
the similarity between the God-bearer nation and the Communism-bearer nation?

The latter is a body running when the head is cut off. There is a difference what kind of load one is bearing. The Soviet regime was not God bearing but God-destroying.

At this point Russians are a small ethnos without a nation, living often in emigration and taking on features of the host nation. Should the Russian Nation be restored somewhere, its meaning and purpose would be to repent of the sin of Communism and earn the forgiveness of the peoples of Eastern Europe.

The Soviet-German war was a tragedy and it should be remembered as such. It should be a day of mourning. The Soviet victory was at the same time slavery for East Europe and it solidified the hold that Stalin had over the peoples of the USSR. From the Russian perspective the war was a continuation of the Civil war, and that Second Civil War was lost again.

the Communists were a far more successful government after the WWII that any of the Ukrainian or Russian ones since 1991.

If you measure the success by being a menace to the rest of the world, yes. It is a tragedy that the Soviet period is not seen as Dark Age by the neo-Soviet people.

144 posted on 04/17/2014 5:37:23 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: wetphoenix

It is clear to me that apart from politicians and radical crowd in Kiev the rest of Ukrainians aren’t in a mood to either fight the Russians, let alone to engage in a civil war against each other.

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To the profound irritation of some blood lapper globalists around here.


145 posted on 04/17/2014 6:21:54 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: annalex
The latter is a body running when the head is cut off. There is a difference what kind of load one is bearing. The Soviet regime was not God bearing but God-destroying.

Of course, there are differencies. But I asked you to focus on the similarities.

At this point Russians are a small ethnos without a nation, living often in emigration and taking on features of the host nation.

If so, you can forget about those Russians, they're doomed to die out. Taking features, living abroad. There are more than 140 mln people living in the Russian Federation, they matter, the others - don't.

to repent of the sin of Communism and earn the forgiveness of the peoples of Eastern Europe.

No, an idea like that is too "Eastern-European" for a Russian national idea. It gives neither self-identification, nor emotional drive. Just a wet dream of some Eastern-Europeans. Imposing such ideas requires a revolver as Al Capone might say. Eastern Europe lack one today.

If you measure the success by being a menace to the rest of the world, yes. It is a tragedy that the Soviet period is not seen as Dark Age by the neo-Soviet people.

No, I measure quality of the country's public life and don't include anything from international relationships.

146 posted on 04/17/2014 10:20:02 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior (A Russian.)
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To: Freelance Warrior
quality of the country's public life

The public life in the USSR consisted of ruthless suppression of anyone with a conscience, and frightening military parades. Nor can the life of a nation be separated from the damage that nation does to others.

If the Russian nation does not come to repentance, it will perish. Like any penance, it is for the sake of the guilty party more than for the sake of other nations, which all, even Ukraine, managed to move on.

147 posted on 04/17/2014 6:07:26 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: hubel458

~That lady says it what it is all about......... Here we have Ukraine with a yearning for decency, freedom, good life with 43 million in 230,000 sq mi........................ We have russia with 3 only times the people on 45 times as much land.......... with life so bad that they have negative population growth for years............. so bad that mothers don’t even want to bring children into that fascist/commie hellhole..... Grand Daughter cried when she read the lady remarks above... Ed ~

Hate, hypocrisy and projection at it’s worst. Ukraine is probably the second most corrupt white nation in the world after Moldova. Their political system and economy are African-style. What about population growth in Ukraine? Moving to India or Egypt to work as a cheap prostitute or to Russia for a menial job considered a career there.


148 posted on 04/18/2014 8:57:59 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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