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The Bundy Ranch 'public land use for grazing' is part of the area where the oil fracking leases were given. The MAP FROM THE LAND BLM FOR THE LEASES IS AT THE WEBSITE AND IN THE ARTICLE. This not about the 'Desert Tortoise' as claimed, since "BLM were destroying them" last year according to Mike Adams, who wrote the article. A MUST READ for anyone keeping up with BLM and Bundy Ranch Standoff!
1 posted on 04/11/2014 8:34:41 AM PDT by Kackikat
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There is no reason fracking and grazing can’t co-exist.


2 posted on 04/11/2014 8:40:06 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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It is because he did not pay his bills. He does not have the right to use public land for grazing without the fee just because his family did in 1884.


6 posted on 04/11/2014 8:43:17 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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Is there any doubt that our current entire Federal Government is made up of communists criminals and are systematically destroying America by destroying individual Americans. Think, you must retrain your brain to see beyond and between the lines. Logic is currently missing with many Americans.
7 posted on 04/11/2014 8:45:13 AM PDT by Logical me
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Tuesday for $1.27 million to six different companies. The auction took place in Reno. The leases are near where Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. wants to drill for oil and natural gas on 40,000 acres of public and private land near the town of Wells.

Then why the hell are they worried about land near Las Vegas?

Wells, NV is at the junction of US 95 and I-80 (about an hour south of the Idaho/Nevada border on US 95), and is more than 350 miles from Bunkerville, NV, where the Bundy ranch is located.

9 posted on 04/11/2014 8:45:50 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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And how much does Harry Reid get out of this scam?

Is he not the top dumb-o-crat senate representative from Nevada who was elected to stand up for the voters of this state - oh wait reid , dumb-o-crat, money under the table - never mind he’s to busy wheeling and dealing lining his pockets.


11 posted on 04/11/2014 8:47:07 AM PDT by chiefqc
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The only way this administration would allow fracking on fed lands is if there was no oil or gas there.


14 posted on 04/11/2014 8:49:06 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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bttt


17 posted on 04/11/2014 8:51:28 AM PDT by The Californian (The door to the room of success swings on the hinges of opposition. Bob Jones, Sr.)
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http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE_PROTECTION_/energy/renewable_references.Par.48679.File.dat/Regional%20Mitigation%20Strategy%20for%20the%20Dry%20Lake%20Solar%20Energy%20Zone,%20Technical%20Note%20444%20%28March%202014%29.pdf


22 posted on 04/11/2014 8:55:09 AM PDT by Paladin2
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$1.27 million for 40,000 acres?

Sounds like 6 companies got themselves a real good deal.


27 posted on 04/11/2014 8:59:17 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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Wells is 300(or so) miles from the Bundy Ranch. This is about STOPPING oil development and taking water for Vegas.


32 posted on 04/11/2014 9:01:35 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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The person who wrote that article said fracking uses toxic chemicals in the well and fracking causes earthquakes.

I know carbon dioxide is put under pressure down the well that is also horizontal in two directions at the bottom of the well, where the carbon dioxide combusts and releases the oil/gas from the shale. I wouldn't call carbon dioxide a toxic chemical in a well as the author does. He should list the toxic chemicals if he says there are some.

There is also no proof fracking causes earthquakes. Underground geology is considered before a fracking well is drilled.

These drilling companies strive for safety as they don't want anything to happen to destroy the well they are drilling. They are investing millions of dollars to bring in that well and lose millions if the well is compromised. They also have to abide by OSHA safety rules while drilling these wells.

52 posted on 04/11/2014 9:13:15 AM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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58 posted on 04/11/2014 9:17:09 AM PDT by tumblindice (Are all Democrats inveterate, habitual liars?)
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Bundy family has grazing rights with the state. The state of Nevada has a governor that should be pushing back against the feds. Some congressional reps are getting behind Bundy.

Land was always open for hundreds of years and only recently came under federal ‘administration’. The state of Nevada has granted grazing rights to ranchers for much longer and has sovereignty.

My first impression when I heard about this was that the Bundy family were encroaching on federal land but that’s not the case.


77 posted on 04/11/2014 9:42:19 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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Drilling and grazing happen together on public land all the time. One does not preclude the other. This story is BS, as anyone in oil country will know.


80 posted on 04/11/2014 9:49:16 AM PDT by 'smith
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To: logic101.net; SolidRedState; Cicero; Louis Foxwell; Resolute Conservative; Logical me; IYAS9YAS; ...

The only way this administration would allow fracking on fed lands is if there was no oil or gas there.
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the amazing thing here is that the feds have even allowed any test drilling to happen given how biased the feds are against oil.

for years nevadans have talked about how the ground in those counties just stinks of oil.

A lot of wells were poked in the ground in previous decades before fracking but nothing much came up.

But for one exception.

One of the biggest producing wells in US history produced in volume for more than a decade back in the 1980’s in one of those counties in Nevada. Oil people talk about how there had to be a lot more oil locked in shale— feeding that oil pool from below.

Its very very possible imho that the size of the shale oil deposits in Nevada will rival those in the eagle ford and the baaken. In that case, being owners of the land — some serious revenues would accrue to federal accounts.

Agree with the note above that Las Vegas is trying to do a water grab for water under upstate counties similar to what Los Angeles did 100 years ago to Owens Valley. imho it would be wiser for 6 southwestern states to lobby the feds to pipe spring (March-June) flood Mississippi river water over the south pass in Wyoming. That would lower the Mississippi by 10 feet, prevent flooding and inundate the southwest with new water.

It doesn’t look like either water or oil have much to do with the Rancher issue. That just looks like the BLM being the BLM. That is, a bunch of knuckleheads. If the rationale for the whole deal is the tortoise—then the tortoise needs to go. Its just impossible that tortoises and cows can’t be friends or inhabit the same ground.


87 posted on 04/11/2014 9:55:44 AM PDT by ckilmer
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/collins-manages-insult-offend-utahns-comments-bundy-roundup
This just in threats against Americans for supporting the Bundys. Funny how ballsy these people get when Fedzilla is on their side.


97 posted on 04/11/2014 10:04:24 AM PDT by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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Added to ‘Front Page’. Moderators may pull, but this sounds interesting, and I think it should there (maybe on ‘Extended’ instead).


105 posted on 04/11/2014 10:26:39 AM PDT by topher (Traditional values -- especially family values -- which have been proven over time.)
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If that is the case, then the rancher may have just cause to sue the BLM being a party to a potential financial fraud--especially if natural gas in financially viable recoverable quantities are found. In short, the rancher was effectively defrauded out of a huge sum of revenue from natural gas sales.
110 posted on 04/11/2014 10:32:23 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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Land is only “owned” by State or Federal government to hold it from being subdivided and developed.

Keeping the land as unused land under authority of a government keeps the value of the land extremely low.

Then, one day in the future when elite finance wants to make use of the land, they can easily work up a cozy deal with the government to buy/rent/lease/etc., or negotiate sweet deals for any rights they want to extract natural resources and sell them.

If the land was owned by private entities, a price would have to be negotiated with numerous sellers who would want a return on their land investment, and may have contructed buildings on it or be conducting other operations, or have future plans themselves.

If the land is “government” land, government force can be used to sweep away folks like this ranching family.

Sad to say, but conservation has nothing at all to do with why land is Federalized. It’s a land grab by the elites which use their vassal government to execute their plans.


113 posted on 04/11/2014 10:37:49 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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157 posted on 04/11/2014 12:05:41 PM PDT by McGruff (I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush pulled a Charlie Crist)
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