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North Korea 'is capable of striking U.S. with a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack'
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Posted on 04/10/2014 1:38:23 PM PDT by chessplayer

North Korea has the capability to deliver on its threats to carry out a nuclear electromagnetic pulse attack on the United States, it has been claimed.

Dr Peter Vincent Pry, executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, has reportedly seen a long-suppressed government report that concludes North Korea is capable of using an Unha-3 rocket to carry out an attack on the U.S..

He says the U.S. would be particularly vulnerable to such an attack, as any rocket from North Korea is likely to travel over the South Pole and approach from the south - something American missile defences would apparently be powerless to stop.

Such an attack on the U.S. would cripple the country's defence systems, not to mention cause chaos in any scenario where an electronic device is required - including road, sea and air transport, government and civilian communications and, of course, the throughout entire economic sector.

The leaked Department of Homeland Security report allegedly claims that North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un already successfully practiced an electromagnetic pulse attack on the U.S. in early 2013.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: emp; korea; northkorea; peterpry; petervincentpry; pry
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To: Westbrook
If they do, the few lights that they do have will be snuffed out permanently.

True that. But suppose the missile is launched from a ship that's out to sea (assuming that's technologically possible)? Then who do you blame?

North Korea? Iran? Russia?

41 posted on 04/10/2014 2:44:44 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Leaning Right

I’d blame them all. And as Reagan said.. outlaw them....


42 posted on 04/10/2014 2:45:48 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: 353FMG
If they do and succeed, we will not have the means to retaliate.

Not even with submarines?

43 posted on 04/10/2014 2:54:36 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: chessplayer

Sure, and their fleet of Yugo’s can out class any Corvette in a 1/4 mile race....


44 posted on 04/10/2014 2:59:45 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Ghost of SVR4
EMP has become the Global Warming of military threats over the last few years. The effects are not as destructive as first thought and while it could knock out the power grid in the affected area, it could be fixed and back in order before we entered a "new stone age" or a "Mad Max" type of scenario. Second, it wouldn't affect military systems, and as noted above, whoever launched it would cease to exist in the counterattack.

I would be far more worried about some terrorist group driving trucks into power substations in major cities during the summer months. The resulting riots, looting, and mayhem would do far more damage than any EMP attack.

45 posted on 04/10/2014 3:02:24 PM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: chessplayer

How many minutes would it take to destroy the DPRK from one squadron of bombers or one submarine? And why hasn’t that happened already? Anyone here think that Washington, Madison, Monroe, Adams, Jackson, Lincoln, Grant, Teddy, McKinley, Coolidge, Ike, FDR, Truman or Reagan wouldn’t have already done so based on their threats, capability and known lunacy?


46 posted on 04/10/2014 3:10:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: chessplayer
One bomb and we're (the few who survive) back in the 1700's.

Nah. Not much worse than 1920 really, maybe even 1960s.

Kids these days...

47 posted on 04/10/2014 3:27:41 PM PDT by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: aegiscg47

I’m glad you think so, and am interested in your sources.

I read the book “One Second After” which was based on a US Naval College study on exactly this, in the book it was about 4 weapons over the US, and it was pretty “Thunderdome”. I think the ending number of living survivors after one year was under 10%.
That is quite a gap in theoretical outcomes...


48 posted on 04/10/2014 3:46:14 PM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: ConservativeMan55
The payload of an Unha-3 is 1500 lbs. The most powerful U.S. nuclear weapon with that approximate weight was the W-49 which had a 1.44 MT yield. Coincidentally, the W-49 was used in a high atmospheric nuclear.

It did produce an EMP but Hawaii which is 900 miles away only experienced slight effects. It knocked out a telephone company uplink, some street lights went out, some security alarms went off, etc...There was no massive black out. The electrical grid was fine there. The effects closer to the blast in uninhabited areas were much greater.

IF the North Koreans could get a missile here and IF they could construct a warhead similar to the W-49 and IF they could properly detonate it above Kansas City it would certainly cause a lot of issues. Cities as close as Columbus to the east, Denver to the west and Dallas to the south would barely be affected at all. Cities in the middle of the area such as Oklahoma City, Des Moines, St. Louis and Witchita would likely only have moderate damage to electrical infrastucture. Millions of people would die. We would go to war. But I don't think civilization would come to an end.

However, the world as the North Koreans know it certainly would end.

49 posted on 04/10/2014 3:52:33 PM PDT by nitzy
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To: chessplayer

For all of you saying we would just wipe out NK if they did this...of course we could. If we could determine they were the culprits.

They could fire four pretty simple missiles off four barges off the east coast, west coast, and gulf of mexico. Then blow up the barges. Bye bye evidence.

Every nuke has a signature, so we would for sure know who manufactured them. I’m sure it would be Russian-made. They’ve already lost some. Allegedly, so have we. Just because we know who made it doesn’t mean we know “whodunnit,” or more exactly “who bought it.”

Point is that an attack on the US by EMP weapons will not be pulled off in a way that the attacker will be visible. That would be retarded on their part. Won’t happen. Stop dreaming.

Ironically, it could be the Russians behind all this, just setting up NK to be the patsy. They could (for example) tip off the US that they believe that NK has one of their old EMP nukes. The attack happens and sure enough it was Russian nukes. The Russians help us with proof that it ws NK, and we vaporize NK. Russia is unscathed and comes in to assist us in rebuilding. Damn, I should write a movie.


50 posted on 04/10/2014 4:01:21 PM PDT by 2big2fail
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Obama still allows us to keep our submarines?

If you like your submarines......


51 posted on 04/10/2014 4:11:48 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Westbrook

“If the order is given, the retaliation would turn the chia pet’s city into a smoldering radioactive crater.”

The operative word being “if”. I seriously doubt Obama would give that order. Probably form a focus group to study why we were so racist they had to nuke us.


52 posted on 04/10/2014 4:17:39 PM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: elcid1970
Another Duchy of Grand Fenwick? No, too rational.

With dear leader as Tully Bascomb/Peter Sellers? Your right anything good they would get would be strictly serendipitous via our own dear leader.

53 posted on 04/10/2014 4:19:15 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: chessplayer
One bomb and we're (the few who survive) back in the 1700's.

If that happens the survivors will have to transport by raft, catapults, boulders, and vats of oil (to be set afire) and launched against the Norkos.

54 posted on 04/10/2014 4:34:22 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished)
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To: Vaquero

If Dear Leader Kim Jong Riceball were anyone else he’d be getting wedgies while they stole his lunch money after stuffing him into his wall locker.


55 posted on 04/10/2014 4:34:45 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: chessplayer
S. Korean Lawmaker, “Russia might have given N. Korea know-how of miniature nukes”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717327/posts
[And Russian-designed underground facility for avoiding detection of tests.]


North Korea Tests 'Super-EMP' Nuke
Newsmax ^ | Thursday, 16 Jun 2011 09:05 AM | Ken Timmerman
"North Korea’s nuclear tests have been dismissed as failures by some analysts because of their low explosive yield. But Dr. Pry believes they bore the “signature” of the Russian-designed “super-EMP” weapon, capable of emitting more gamma radiation than a 25-megaton nuclear weapon. "


56 posted on 04/10/2014 5:11:34 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: chessplayer

Russia, N.Korea, China give Iran missile aid -CIA
09/08/01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/519198/posts

Iran military engineers on hand for N. Korea missile launch
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1664760/posts
(7/12/06)

10 Iranian Missile Engineers Visited N. Korea:Sankei reports(check on NK’s Chinese equipments)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658850/posts

Iran readies launch of new satellite
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2382720/posts

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range—will reach the Vatican—May 16th, 2007)


57 posted on 04/10/2014 5:15:37 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

>> Whether it’s an EMP attack or bullets placed in transformers <<

You’re correct. But also, let’s not forget about a future Carrington Event. It’s inevitable, sooner or later — maybe ten years from now, maybe five hundred years from now.


58 posted on 04/10/2014 7:07:15 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: chessplayer
any rocket from North Korea is likely to travel over the South Pole and approach from the south

It would be easier for North Korea to drive the rocket in through Mexico, disguised as a taco truck filled with migrant workers.

Jeb Bush would personally be there to welcome such an "act of love."

59 posted on 04/10/2014 8:08:09 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: aegiscg47

“EMP has become the Global Warming of military threats over the last few years”

Totally agree. It has been spread around to the point every pinhead type that believes in global warming believes in EMP because they read it on the Internet.


60 posted on 04/10/2014 8:12:21 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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