Posted on 04/09/2014 8:04:03 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
[Caption:] U.S. Senator John McCain, center, speaks as Democratic Senator from the state of Connecticut, Chris Murphy, second left, and Opposition leader Oleh Tyahnybok [All Ukrainian Union "Svoboda" leader], stand around him during a Pro-European Union rally in Independence Square in Kiev, Ukraine, Sunday, Dec. 15, 2013.
Sen. John McCain (R. Ariz.) advocated for sending arms to Ukraine Tuesday [link at URL] on Fox News.
McCain acknowledged the arms would not likely enable Ukraine to defeat the Russians in open war, but emphasized it could improve the Ukrainian military's morale and ensure that the Russians would have "a real fight on their hands" if they invaded further.
Host Neil Cavuto asked McCain if the Europeans should be the ones to step up and assist Ukraine considering their position "in the neighborhood" and interests with respect to Russian energy.
"We always want the Europeans to man up," McCain said, "but it's the United States of America that leads. If we're not going to do anything, how the hell do you expect the Europeans to do something on their own? We are not doing anything, so why should they? The United States has got to lead."
McCain also criticised President Obama for not only failing to lead in Ukraine, but shying away from assisting the Free Syrian Army [link at URL].
Full Interview: [Fox News/Cavuto video link (via YouTube) at URL]
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Send McCain to the Ukraine, and don’t let him come back.
Senility and stupidity should be cause to remove someone from their Senate seat. Do the people of AZ not understand that this man has lost his marbles?
FDR and Churchill not only stood next to Stalin, they also sent substantial amounts of material aid to Uncle Joe, the mass murderer, who made WWII possible via the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. The problem with the Soviet Union was only partly that it was Communist. The primary issue was Russian imperialism. Russia simply refused to stay within its already massive borders, built over centuries of brutal armed conquests, complete with mass killings, and attempted to forge a global empire via a nifty ideology that provided all the excuses it needed. In order to slow the down the progress of the centuries-old Russian zeal for universal empire, cooperating with a right-wing Ukrainian leader whose body count might add up to the hundreds, if you believe Pravda Russia Today, is small potatoes.
Russia and Syria helped kill our soldiers in Iraq. Now we’re going to make them pay for it. Die Russian scum!
So, FDR and Churchill stood next to Stalin. McCain is two ahead of them.
“cooperating with a right-wing [actually left wing] Ukrainian leader whose body count might add up to the hundreds...is small potatoes”
To that quote I say: Relativism by any other name is still the same.
as to RT (Russia Today): they were the first news outlet in the world to break the news that a U.S. aircraft carrier was heading to off the coast of Syria back when Obama was “considering.” bombing Assad's regime. Slowly, others (even “western” media outlets) followed in their reporting of this.
RT has also been the first to break other news pieces. Don't be so quick to write them off. Sure, verify first, but they are pretty good at digging up stuff that Western media outlets just won't touch. But they also post junk too, so, as I said, verify first. They may be somewhat “Pravda” but not whole cloth.
MSNBC and CNN are America's “Pravda,” and are actually worse than RT.
American politicians like McCain could care less about America’s security, but they’re passionate about the Ukraine and Syria.
FUJM
Send them oil and LNG. Europe, too.
Just shut up, John. Please.
The world we live in is populated by imperfect people. That's why we helped Russians hold off the Germans by supplying them and opening a second front in North Africa, Southern Europe and then Western Europe. Both were responsible for the deaths of tens of millions but we ended up backing the lesser of two evils, despite the Russian record of genocide under both the Bolsheviks and the Romanovs. The KLA, the Syrian rebels and the Ukrainian right aren't angels, but neither are their adversaries. Even if you add all of the deaths on both sides in the conflicts they fought, the total doesn't hold a candle to the bloodshed inflicted by Russia on the world.
In the Ukrainian context, it's obvious that Ukraine is a less-developed country with no ambition or chance of ever conquering the world. Russia is precisely the kind of world-conquering power that needs to have its territorial goals kept in check before it acquires enough population and resources to become unstoppable.
John McCain is bought and paid for by defense contractors and wants to see their products and services used in as many places as possible.
Russia is acting the thug, no doubt, but given that we have been told ad nauseum by GOP keaders, people on Fox News, Democrats, Kerry and Obama, too, that the U.S. is the last remaining superpower, it could easily be said that Russia cannot conquer the world, much less most of Eurasia.
Sure, they could cause a major mess, but I doubt that it would extend beyond Eastern Europe, and were they to even do that, a complete isolation of them in regards to oil, banking, commerce, etc, would destroy their stock market and the Russian oligarchs in and outside of Russia would remove Putin fast.
The point of a military solution is that you can achieve, with rapid, well-organized thrusts, what you cannot do via economic growth. This is how Genghis Khan overran the civilizations on (what we now call) Mongolia's borders, and thousands of miles beyond. In the run-up to WWII, Germany had a big economy, but its economy wasn't bigger than all of its neighbors combined.
Sure, they could cause a major mess, but I doubt that it would extend beyond Eastern Europe, and were they to even do that, a complete isolation of them in regards to oil, banking, commerce, etc, would destroy their stock market and the Russian oligarchs in and outside of Russia would remove Putin fast.
If we had embargoed Iraq instead of launching Desert Shield followed by Desert Storm, Saddam might already have unified the Arab world under his direct rule. He would, at the very least, have conquered Saudi Arabia and all of the Gulf emirates.
As Germany's economic fortunes crumbled under the pressures of total war fought against it on all sides, Hitler's position remained impregnable, and the war was fought to the bitter end until Berlin was completely overrun. In terms of ruling philosophies, a key difference between Putin and Hitler is that unlike Hitler, Putin already runs a vast multinational empire and understands that sectarianism (i.e. Hitler's exterminationist agenda vis-a-vis non-Aryans in the vast areas conquered by Germany) and empire don't go together.
OK, we’ll send ammunition right after Ukraine passes a 2nd Amendment.
Russia/Russian oligarchs aren’t going to torpedo the Russian economy. No way. Economic isolation would wreck Russia, and the oligarchs would yank Putin before that happened. Sure, Putin wants Eastern Ukraine, and will probably try to angle things so that it becomes a failed state, but he can’t acquire Western Ukraine.
Beyond those, no way. Moldava will probably try to have a referendum, and if no Russian troops are within its borders, and the referendum passes, that (after E. Ukraine) will probably be the end of Putin’s goals.
That is the Eastern Europe we will probably end up with, sadly, but that is what you get with an incompetent president, a Sec. of State that gives the word bumbling a bad name, $17 trillion dollars in debt, and an American populace that is sick of endless wars.
BOL!
GMTA:)
I wonder how many of McAinal’s naval academy classmates, think that McAinal is and has been a nut case for a long time?
Send him to Ukraine and don’t accept him back.
Let’s send McCain flying his own jet. We know how that will turn out.
“Economic isolation” basically translates into Europe not buying gas & oil from Russia. Everything else is relatively inconsequential. But by the time Europe can actually do that - IF they have the will to do so - Russia will be selling instead to China & East Asia, and likely getting an even better price.
As for Moldava, only the Transnistria region is interested in going Russian, and, there are (and have been for years) Russian troops already there, which the UN considers illegal.
Since when do we conservatives care about what the UN has to say?
Why all of a sudden are Freepers chiming about UN this, UN that - and gving them “stock” to boot?
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