Posted on 04/06/2014 9:06:58 AM PDT by Hojczyk
None of the New York parents who are refusing to vaccinate their children today were around the city in the summer of 1916, which is good for them and good for any of the kids they might have had. It was in that summer that 27,000 children nationwide were struck by a polio outbreak, 9,300 of them in New York. Of those 9,300 victims, 2,700 died. The Salk family at 116th St. and Madison Ave. escaped the scourge, meaning that their two-year-old son Jonas was spared. History notes that when he grew up, he had a little score-settling to do with the poliovirus.
Parents who oppose vaccines are not only misinformed, theyre spoiled, having grown up in a world that stands behind the berms built by the scientists and vaccine developers who came before them. If youve never seen measles or polio or whooping cough or mumps you have the luxury of believing they dont exist.
We live in a very healthy community, said one of the sublimely glib doctors cited in the Mother Jones story. The incidence of these diseases are very low, not only here but nationwide. And so its safe to do a modified vaccine schedule, in my opinion.
But the incidence of these diseases is very low precisely because most doctors and parents dont think the way you do and do vaccinate on schedule. We live in a very dry community, the doctor might as well have said. So its safe not to maintain the levees and flood walls that have protected us until now, in my opinion.
And so you drown; and so unvaccinated children get sick. The words in my opinion are not themselves some kind of rhetorical vaccine. They can, instead, be the pathogen. Like all pathogens, they can kill.
(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...
No we are not against vac,ing our kids, just the very toxic materials used in them. With the rates of Autism on the rise, all data seems to be pointing at the materials used in treating our kids. Materials like mercury,formaldehyde,supposed to be a dead virus, but mistakes do happen & live ones get used, need I go on.False. Measured mercury levels in infants receiving a vaccine preserved by an appropriate amount of thiomersal were low; some were so low that they could not be measured. It causes no harm. Relevant papers: One, Two, Three. More available on request.
each vaccine contains neurotoxic adjuvants and metals and preservatives, and some questionable media...Their health can be compromised by tiny things at that age, even teething, and the parents can not predict which days the childs gut population is strong enough not to affect the childs neuro system negatively...The risks for neurological chronic or disabling damage can be far greater than the risk of the disease.Again, false. The supposed "neurotoxics" cause no harm. Relevant papers: One, Two, Three. More available on request.
I have a few degrees; what should I have gotten more of so that I could understand that ingredients bundled into multiple vaccine doses can harm the brain?So long as you are a neurochemist that has performed studies on the subject, you would have the expertise and knowledge to determine that.
The question no rabid vaccinator can answer.The answer to that is contained in herd immunity.
The only things it doesnt mention is how the toxins etc are washed in various formaldehydes.All meat that you buy in ANY grocery store, including most organic meat (even at Whole Foods)? Washed in formaldehyde.
I thought your vaccines protected you from diseases. Why would you care about unvaccinated people, unless your vaccines dont work? And if they dont work, why take them, and why try to force them on everyone else?The answer to that is contained in herd immunity.
And to top it off, you want to use guns to force everyone into your same level of completely unguaranteed vaccination while utterly ignoring the massive pharmaceutical profit margin.No, I won't force people to get vaccinated. Far from it. But should the unvaccinated get polio, pertussis, measles, etc, I will quarantine them. And I believe it should be permanant in nature, like they used to do with tuberculosis.
Riddle me this. The official stance on global warming is that it’s real, caused by human industrial age CO2.
Do you believe this to be true? Ie, the official stance. Why or why not? Are you smarter than the PhD’s working at NASA and NOAA? Who are you to question their smartness and official research?
Moreover, as I pointed out in a previous post, vaccines are sourced from materials imported from China and India. The FDA has stated many times it’s not their job to test or investigate the safety or contents of these ingredients. The vaccine manufacturers are indemnified from tort so they’re not looking either.
So, you really have NO idea what’s in those vaccines. Safe or not. They might not even have antigens in them.
It's sound more and more like people that have been bought off by big pharmaceutical companies to me.@Yaelle:
There are two clear sides to the vaccination dilemma, and only one side is given in the mainstream media. DOESNT THAT TELL YOU SOMETHING?What the anti-vaxxers don't know: Big Pharma Supports The Antivaccine Movement: The Real Conspiracy
Well, I admit, that sounds totally crazy to me but that was my point, they keep adding the jabs to babies because that’s when it’s easiest to get their hands on them. And it’s not based on science and individual risk factors, but convenience for the “system”.
It’s totally out of control and it’s causing resistance that subverts the intention.
This Derbyshire column first published in National Review rings truer every day in every way.
The Hidden Hand of EFTA http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Culture/efta.html
That’s what I’ve been saying this whole time. Delaying marriage and childbearing has risks and that cultural trend accounts for some of the increase in the rates of autism.
As a matter of fact, I’ve had to have leeches applied to me at the USN Balboa in San Diego,Ca. after the Dr.’s had to spend 12 hours repairing my left foot & lower leg.
My kids are vaxx.ed, but have you ever read the paperwork that comes with the med.? I have, & I used to deal with hazmat issues in the Marine Corps, at MCAS Yuma,Az. with the crash fire rescue dept,. before being run over by an illegal alien.
But it has nothing to do with 40yr olds having babies. They’ve ALWAYS had babies. There’s something ENVIRONMENTAL that causes 40yr old prima para’s to have a higher risk of asd babies and other issues. Something that having babies earlier is protective of.
Honey, I worked for pharma. If you think they’re anti vax you’re nuts.
Vaccines represent a $15B+ guaranteed, mandated, INDEMNIFIED income stream. They don’t have to worry about patent expiration, they don’t have to worry about being sued. They don’t, currently, even have to make sure the vaccines even contain antigens for the various diseases they’re meant to prevent.
Herd immunity is one thing, risk on an individual level is another. There is such a thing as over-vaccinating. There are individuals who will have adverse reaction. I have an immune response to vaccination myself. So, I choose not to receive the annual flu vaccine. Would I never get another? I won’t rule it out. Does this make me a Bircher ... Oops, “antivaxxer?” The mass labeling bothers me. Can wearing a scarlet AV be far behind?
Can you document this claim of most adults having zero-titer measles because I believe this may be one of those factiods not based in fact from a pseudoscience website.
I stay away from psuedoscience websites.
It was a document on the CDC website somewhere. They’re working on mandating MMR boosters for the entire population every 2-3 years. Like they’re working on for the TDaP boosters for the entire population. They’re just working on nailing down the rationale they’ll be using.
The rationale is that most immunity from any vaccine is gone after 10 years so boosters, population wide, are needed on a 2-5 year basis to ensure population wide immunity, ongoing.
When was your last MMR booster? I had FIVE of them in a fairly short period of time. 1yr after the last one I had ZERO titer for Rubella. Hey, maybe I just need to get one every year. Or month. Surely that would work!
Riddle me this. The official stance on global warming is that its real, caused by human industrial age CO2. Do you believe this to be true? Ie, the official stance.No.
Why or why not?Because that's not the official stance. In its simplest form, the argument for anthropogenic climate change goes as follows:
Are you smarter than the PhDs working at NASA and NOAA?You mean, am I an expert in climatology? Nope.
Who are you to question their smartness and official research?I'm not. Everything that I just said is correct according to the official research. The official research does not know if climate change is caused by humans. It's only a hypothesis. And there are other hypotheses that are just as valid. After more testing and more data, we will know the answer. But probably not anytime soon.
Honey, I worked for pharma. If you think theyre anti vax youre nuts.In the link I posted, then, what is incorrect? Please enlighten.
Moreover, as I pointed out in a previous post, vaccines are sourced from materials imported from China and India. The FDA has stated many times its not their job to test or investigate the safety or contents of these ingredients. The vaccine manufacturers are indemnified from tort so theyre not looking either.I am aware of that information about the FDA.
Yes, it's called age. The older you are at first birth the more likely you are to have complications, pre-natal stress and fetal distress during labor. Not to mention all manner of age related health issues. All of these things are greatly reduced in twenty-somethings.
That something that is protective in having babies earlier is youth and strength. And very likely less stress and worry. While all women worry, I suspect the 40 year old prima para worries more than the 25 year old because she knows the clock is running out.
I had measles in the 60’s when I was about 4. I did get an MMR when I went to college in 1980 because my parents did not think I had had mumps or rubella and could not remember whether I had any vaccinations other than polio or small pox.
My father was a polio survivor and made very sure we were vaxed at the earliest opportunity for that and I of course have a small pox scar and remember the the school wide event where we all lined up with our sleeves rolled up. If you didn’t already have a scar they gave you one. This included the teachers and parents and grandparents, circa 1968 in rural MT.
And I’m calling BS on your stats. The CDC info I looked still states lifetime immunity for 95% of the population on measles. The only mention of the 10 year immunity I’ve seen references the tetanus shot. Which I get every time I step on a rusty nail, which has worked out about every 10 years or so.
“rabid vaccinator”
lol
“With the rates of Autism on the rise, all data seems to be pointing at the materials used in treating our kids”
I’d love to see studies on the parents use of drugs usage before, during and after pregnancy. Todays “adults” just can’t get enough of anti-depressants, pot, or other reality altering materials. I tend to think that may have something to do with autistic kids.
“And Im calling BS on your stats. The CDC info I looked still states lifetime immunity for 95% of the population on measles. “
Call BS all you want. I’ve got friends in the industry. The CDC stats stated lifetime immunity for tetanus at one point as well. Until they didn’t. Ditto the ‘lifetime’ immunity for Rubella that we now know is BS. Also Chickenpox. They also know the HepB vax immunity is largely gone from the pediatric scheduled doses by the time the kids reach puberty.
For example:
“The mechanism of immunity to pertussis after natural infection or immunization is complex and not fully understood. Immunity has been shown to wane seven to 20 years after natural infection and five to 10 years after immunization with whole cell vaccines “
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2532581/
That’s the Pertussis component. Bet you $5, because that’s all we can spare just now, that within 3 years it will be mandatory to be ‘up to date’ on flu vax yearly and TDaP every 5 years in order to be ‘compliant’ with Obamacare. Adults and children alike.
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