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To: firebrand
Deportation of all of them is almost a tactical impossibility too, without starting a whole snitching and Gestapo-type culture.

You seem to be buying the pro-amnesty crowd line using the false choice between mass deportation versus a blanket amnesty. There is another alternative called attrition thru enforcement. The lawbreakers did not get here overnight and they won't leave overnight. We must make the US as unwelcoming as we can for illegal aliens. Cut off the job magnet, eliminate all benefits, enlist the aid of state and local law enforcement to enforce our immigration laws, etc. The last thing we should be doing is legalizing their presence.

Your use of the word Gestapo is particularly offensive. It is a tactic of the Left to use such emotion laden pejoratives to brand those of us who believe in the Rule of Law as bigots, fascists, and nativists. The illegal aliens are not the same as Jews fleeing from the Holocaust. No one is advocating rounding up the illegals and putting them on rail cars to concentration camps.

I guess I just feel if we could really close the border, the problem would work itself out in time.

Securing the border only solves part of the problem. 40% of the illegals get here legally and then overstay their visas. We need internal enforcement of our immigration laws. That is the way the "problem" will work itself out.

We had an amnesty in 1986. The proponents said it would be one-time, never to happen again and that it would solve our illegal immigration problem. The government estimated that one million would apply, but the true number turned out to be 2.7 million--almost three times the estimate. The process was rife with fraud with phony documents being manufactured just blocks away from processing centers.

So now there is another call for amnesty out of compassion. We now have 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

186 posted on 04/03/2014 7:19:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar; firebrand; All
Kab, I agree completely that legalizing their presence is the LAST thing we should be doing. Absolutely agreed. But in chastising firebrand, I think you're WAY off base. Then again, you live in Virginia. I live in California and always have, with lots and lots of lovely Mexicans, for almost 57 years. I've worked side-by-side with many illegals; I have even helped hide one from the INS. WHY? Because he was a better co-worker, more honest, and a hell of a lot more industrious, than the lop-headed entitlement-minded "legal" teenager who would have taken his place.

Your use of the word Gestapo is particularly offensive. WRONG. It is particularly accurate. Like I say, I live and work here in the middle of it. You in Virginia can pretend that Gestapo-type tactics wouldn't result and cry about "emotion laden pejoratives"; from Ivory Towers, it looks just that way, but here on the front lines, we know that firebrand is right.

No one is advocating rounding up the illegals and putting them on rail cars ... It sure sounds that way to me, and in that, I'll admit I may be misjudging you. I sure as hell HOPE that no one is advocating "rounding up the illegals." If they are, I invite THEM to come do it themselves and leave me out of it.

There are other ways to deal with illegal immigrants. Kabar, EVERYONE, the minimum wage in the U.S. for an unskilled teenager's job, is the equivalent of a very solid respectable middle-class wage in Mexico, where a lot of people are so poor they live in cardboard box villages. HELLO?

Of course a hard-working Mexican with a hungry family is going to come up here, legal or not, and be an VERY good employee in a minimum wage job, and not just the employer, but fellow employees will PREFER him over the "legal" teenager who shows up only about half the time, has a crappy work ethic, and thinks he's not paid enough.

GET RID OF THE MINIMUM WAGE, and then get rid of welfare entitlements for "minority" immigrants, and watch illegal immigrants go back home.

Until then, understand that "deportation" is a recipe for unrest and anger.

189 posted on 04/03/2014 8:13:16 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: kabar

I bow to those more informed on the subject. Sorry about the Nazi term. I generally don’t believe in using those words. I’m certainly not a liberal, but I know Obama and Co. would love to turn us into a bunch of people who rat on one another. That’s the only point I was trying to make withthat sentence.


194 posted on 04/03/2014 11:47:58 AM PDT by firebrand
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