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Pin drop! Obama lawyer stuns Supreme justice
WND ^ | 3/25/2014 | GREG COROMBOS

Posted on 03/25/2014 9:03:08 PM PDT by Beave Meister

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To: HiTech RedNeck

It seems as a dream now, but I recall being rewarded for my art work depicting our beloved “Bill of Rights” in the late 1960’s. It was a competition amongst Los Angeles and Orange County High School Art students. Such a “competition” would be ludicrous today, what with the total disregard for our laws, our borders and our Constitution.


81 posted on 03/25/2014 11:57:07 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: antceecee

Loyalty for country has gone away. The tragedies of the unwisely begun and unwisely fought Vietnam war probably had a lot to do with the start of the divorce. Gore arrived on TV screens with little obvious gain to show for it, and people began to wonder. Such doubt could have been weathered by a robust faith in God, but that was getting weak too.


82 posted on 03/26/2014 12:05:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Talisker

One Stone, Two Powers: How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America

An interesting article.


83 posted on 03/26/2014 12:11:15 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Talisker

They were ruled to have 1st Amendment rights in campaign contributions. If they are afforded that, then it is illogical they have no religious freedom as that is part and parcel to 1st Amendment protections.


84 posted on 03/26/2014 12:38:46 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: The_Reader_David

Bfl


85 posted on 03/26/2014 12:45:34 AM PDT by Reddy (bo stinks)
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To: Talisker
I believe the term of art in law for a corporation is a fictitious person and I believe it shares those rights afforded persons under the law

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86 posted on 03/26/2014 1:10:44 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Talisker

Isn’t the US Constitution a creation of government and not god?


87 posted on 03/26/2014 1:22:34 AM PDT by monocle
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To: monocle
Isn’t the US Constitution a creation of government and not god?

The Constitution says it's a creation of the people.

Moreover, the Declaration says:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

88 posted on 03/26/2014 1:27:27 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

And the people are the government. No matter how you look at it the US Constitution is the product of men and not some religious being.


89 posted on 03/26/2014 1:49:43 AM PDT by monocle
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To: skinkinthegrass

Maybe so, but can you imagine who Obama would replace him with? It makes me shudder to think about it - and it should you as well.


90 posted on 03/26/2014 2:17:21 AM PDT by Catsrus (A)
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To: Beave Meister

Let’s let Roberts pay for everyone’s contraception because he likes Obamacare so much.


91 posted on 03/26/2014 3:05:24 AM PDT by nonliberal (Sent from a payphone in a whorehouse in Mexico.)
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To: Talisker

Hobby Lobby is private ownership not a public shareholder held company. It’s the man and his family’s company and he should be able to run it as he sees fit. The same for church owned or ran hospitals. It’s tyranny to impose governments mandates which violate ones conscience before GOD. We fought a war over this and won our nations freedom. Lawyers many who are as disconnected from Founding Fathers Intent and their own personal conscience themselves worship twisting laws rather than making certain tyranny is stopped. They worship at the alter of their professions subversion and dismanteling of freedoms and rights given to man by GOD our Creator.


92 posted on 03/26/2014 3:23:44 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: antceecee; Talisker
"Wow... just cannot believe you continue to defend this POS decision."

An explanation is not necessarily a defense.

Quite an excellent thread...so far.
93 posted on 03/26/2014 3:35:45 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Beave Meister

MUSLIMS are EXEMPTED from the LAW???? OMG!!


94 posted on 03/26/2014 3:41:18 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Talisker

The corporation is a legal entity created under duress.

Without Big Government, at the point of a gun, forceing people to use the corporate identity to operate, people would simply work together in loose association.


95 posted on 03/26/2014 3:47:21 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Over production, one of the top 5 worries for the American Farmer every year.)
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To: Talisker

You are splitting hairs and ignoring legal history.

A person as an individual or as a business creates a service or product. That creation is based on behavior that they ‘select’ to express and behavior is based on beliefs.

Observant Christians and Jews make a choice to ‘select’ their behavioral expression as conforming to their religious beliefs.

A Kosher restaurant cannot be forced to ‘select’ pork as a menu item.

A wedding cake maker cannot be forced to put figurines of the same sex at the top of a wedding cake.

Nowhere under federal civil rights laws and anti-discrimination statutes is it found that a homosexual or an abortion seeking woman may seek redress from acts that conform to religious expression. Nor does Amendment I limit itself to individuals or businesses but in fact to Congress making law.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no ***law*** respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The argument that a business has no rights versus an individual is specious because Congress can make no law that prohibits free exercise of religion and is not addressing one versus the other with respect to individual or business.

An argument in Hobby Lobby that can be considered is whether First Amendment protections substantially detract or vacate other rights, in this case a right to an abortion or to its access. This is obvious on its face. A woman has access to abortion and is not denied any right to one.

The question is whether a woman’s employer health insurance plan must ‘select’ abortion as a benefit of health coverage so that she has access to it. The Supreme Court must determine if her Roe vs. Wade access to abortion is restricted or hampered; they must mull over what is meant by “reproductive health” and who pays for it.

Putting Constitutional arguments aside, the act of forcing an employer to select abortion coverage as part of a covered health plan is no different than forcing them to cover routine dental care. Many employers will not cover routine dental care because it is an issue of personal behavior and habits. Employers will also not cover liposuction or Botox injections or sex change surgery and hormone treatments.

Returning to constitutional arguments the remedy is for the government to convert their law making or enforcement authority from a tax authority of business to individual persons. But they won’t do this because people won’t stand for it. So government law makers attempt to hide legal mischief by forcing a cost onto business with business tax penalties and punishments as the means of coercion.

Justice Roberts has said that Obamacare is a tax. So let the government assess a tax penalty on Hobby Lobby for not selecting health coverage for abortion on demand. Then the question becomes by what right does the government have the authority to penalize First Amendment rights. The question pits the Sixteenth Amendment against the First Amendment.


96 posted on 03/26/2014 4:00:09 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Talisker

It’s very long and must be deconstructionist in method, because it’s highly likely that Roberts would say he doesn’t recognize much of it as his own thought. Maybe the Declaration of Independence caused trouble the same way, because the fact that “all men are created equal” might include slaves was set to the side by a lot of people for a long time and ultimately was at least highly contributory to a war.


97 posted on 03/26/2014 4:10:00 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: MacMattico

I repeat: “If you like your insurance, you can keep it”.


98 posted on 03/26/2014 4:30:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Catsrus; All
Good Lord! ..I didn't say that; I meant, he should see the writing on the wall and resign due health reasons
something other than impeachment, esp. after the morons/rubberstamps he's already has on USSC.
As a Constitutional Federal Republic, I shall not live long in a Marxist Dictatorship, no matter thick the velvet
glove covers the iron fist.

99 posted on 03/26/2014 4:43:27 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi)
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To: Talisker
Didn't SCOTUS determine Corporations had the ‘right’ of political speech? How can they have one right and not another?
100 posted on 03/26/2014 4:54:43 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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