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Earth to purists: Give me an imperfect Republican over a 'perfect' Democrat any day
Best Of Cain ^ | March 23, 2014 | Herman Cain

Posted on 03/24/2014 11:13:23 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Elsie
Peace, Elsie,

In TODAY's Democratic Party?

Good luck!

I don't think many of your type will get through the vetting process.

I see strong parallels between My campaign and the Tea Party's fight with the establishment leadership of the Republican party. I'm the black sheep pushing for reform and a return to the traditional values which made My party strong. Only with support from like-minded individuals can those of us who undertake the quest to serve attain those offices and make real, lasting change in our country.


James R. McClure Jr.
Jeffersonian Anti-Federalist Democrat candidate for IN09

121 posted on 03/24/2014 7:38:41 PM PDT by James R. McClure Jr.
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To: James R. McClure Jr.

The issue is that if you caucus with them you will be supporting them in an effort at majority control, whatever your claims of separate values are in your personal platform.

At best you will be an outcast from your party, given no role in legislative terms and be a less than effective representative. Call yourself a federalist democrat if you will, but now try and distance yourself from the democrat foreign policy, federal aid to our less than friends abroad and the whole kit and caboodle of democrat history.

Its a gimmick, nothing more. Product differentiation like selling fruit in the vegetable section by mislabeling it.


122 posted on 03/24/2014 7:38:47 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: Elsie
Peace, Elsie,

You oughta be a Republican!

I was offered the chance to switch when I first ran. I'm sticking with Jefferson and Jackson.

A Conservative at least...

I'm an Anti-Federalist. I'm more "conservative" than most conservatives when it comes to strictly interpreting the Constitution, which means I'm opposed to laws which try to legislate morality (a thing many conservatives are for). I believe the States are sovereign and that the People are the final arbiters of constitutionality not the Supreme Court.


James R. McClure Jr.
Jeffersonian Anti-Federalist Democrat candidate for IN09

123 posted on 03/24/2014 7:49:06 PM PDT by James R. McClure Jr.
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To: KC Burke
Peace, KC Burke,

The issue is that if you caucus with them you will be supporting them in an effort at majority control, whatever your claims of separate values are in your personal platform.

So, you are saying the Tea Party Republicans in the House are supporting John Boehner and the establishment Republicans' positions and "values" by caucusing with them?

At best you will be an outcast from your party, given no role in legislative terms and be a less than effective representative. Call yourself a federalist democrat if you will, but now try and distance yourself from the democrat foreign policy, federal aid to our less than friends abroad and the whole kit and caboodle of democrat history.

I'll be no more an outcast than the existing Blue Dogs or Tea Partiers are. I'm an Anti-Federalist Democrat, not a Federalist. I can and do distance Myself from ideas I don't support or espouse. That is no different than anyone else running for office. Trying to paint a whole party with one stroke is a mistake before your brush hits the canvas. My Democrats are all pre-Wilson and I am proud to stand with them.

Its a gimmick, nothing more. Product differentiation like selling fruit in the vegetable section by mislabeling it.

From what you write, I conclude that you believe all the Tea Party congressmen are gimmicks and charlatans, also.


James R. McClure Jr.
Jeffersonian Anti-Federalist Democrat candidate for IN09

124 posted on 03/24/2014 8:00:53 PM PDT by James R. McClure Jr.
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To: Elsie
I thought Romney would win, too. I think he did win, minus fraud. I feared he'd win on a landslide, which would have been very bad on all levels, elected by a popular "mandate" to completely revamp the Republican party in his "progressive" image. It would have been the kiss of death to limited government Republicans and conservatives trying to work via the Republican party, who would have been relegated to pure fringe. Witness the contemptuous arrogance unique to Romney supporters on FR, talking down to us "children" while the "adults" (them, of course) take charge. That would be writ large and powered by elected officials.

On the other hand, had he won with less than 50 percent of the vote with most American voters on record as having opposed him, I would be okay with that. That would weaken leftism all around.

Only bad can come of "supporting" such a figure. We must resort to another path in terms of the ballot box.

125 posted on 03/24/2014 11:16:28 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Mogger
Thank you for your civil, good response. It is really appreciated. It's a pleasure FReeping with you.

Why do you try to get people "out to vote" who don't care enough to do it themselves?

Listen, I consider voting a DUTY. Blood and sacrified paid for my vote; to stay home and decline to use that franchise when I knew better would be spitting in the faces of veterans, as far as I'm concerned. I have a DUTY to vote because I pay attention. Ignorance is bliss -- ignorant, lazy folks should stay home. But knowledgeable folks?

If what you say is true, then the "purists" you're talking about have either never voted or vote very seldom. Those kinds of one-issue "purists" are not purists. They're shallow one-issue voters too lazy to do their due diligence. When those people stay home, we're ALL better off. I'm glad when they stay home because they're doing it not to protest lack of decent candidates, but because voting is out of their league. America is better off when elections are decided by folks who care enough to vote carefully.

But for FReepers to stay home? I rarely say so, but I consider staying home as a protest to be surrender, stupid surrender, and a betrayal.

And one other thing, Mogger -- even mostly indifferent shallow one-issue Americans who nonetheless really just want the same things we do -- freedom to live morally and prosperously -- would get out in DROVES if they ever had anything to vote for. But intead, they get browbeaten into voting "against" the other guy by voting FOR somebody they loathe.

You hold your nose. WHY? Your nose is WARNING YOU that you're voting for something that STINKS!!!!

Unless you've been voting steadfastly Republican in every election since before the late 1970s, I wager I have held my nose a lot more than you have. It took me 35 years to figure out that I should have been heeding it.

Those of us who want to restore limited government so we have the freedom to live morally -- that is, the freedom to tell open homosexuals to take a hike, the freedom to prevent murder (abortion), the freedom to embrace this nation's CHRISTIAN heritage and put it in its rightful place as the inspiration for our laws, the freedom to have Christmas trees and creches where ever we want, the freedom to be charitable in a CHRISTIAN way rather than the amoral government welfare EBT entitlement way -- we have a duty to vote.

Since the option of voting "against" is moot (learned the long and hard way), if you're going to use your vote WISELY, you will vote FOR. Always. The imperfect candidate -- Newt -- I'd have voted for him gladly in 2012, though he was about as far from perfect as you could get. No "purism" there, but the "you purist 'cause you didn't vote for Romney!" folks erase that truth because they cannot handle acknowleding it.

I have to vote. Sitting at home is surrender, it is betrayal of the men who died for my right to vote. So I vote, and I encourage other people to vote.

Do you know why they stay home, mogger, not the "purists" that you're talking about who would probably stay home anyway, pardon me, but real every day folks who normally vote in eveyr election but who sat it out because of Romney. Do you know why they stayed home?

I do.

126 posted on 03/24/2014 11:52:24 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: skeeter

When REagan left, it went to hell in a hand basket.


127 posted on 03/25/2014 2:25:21 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Demographics is destiny...

Is that right?

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.




128 posted on 03/25/2014 3:36:08 AM PDT by rdb3 (Get out the putter, this one's on the green.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

If the GOP had either the executive or one house of the legislative branch, we wouldn’t have the affordable care act to deal with.


129 posted on 03/25/2014 3:40:15 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: trapped_in_LA
Your kind of thinking is why we have OBAMA!!!! Sarah was worth the vote for McCain....and Mitt is 1000% better than the MARXIST MUSLIM!!!

Stay home, Purists or vote for a third party and you will feel great COMPLAINING for thenext 20 years and Apologizing to your kids and grandkids!!

130 posted on 03/25/2014 3:42:38 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Finny; Wyatt's Torch
Demographics seek to dictate morality/votes by race or class, ignoring individual morality and putting ALL on a person's race, ethnicity, sex, whatever.

Yeah, I caught just that.

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.




131 posted on 03/25/2014 3:47:41 AM PDT by rdb3 (Get out the putter, this one's on the green.)
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To: James R. McClure Jr.
The early Democrats were honest men with integrity. I aspire to be the same quality of statesman they were.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

The early Democrats were pro-slavery. How in the hell can you call those HYPOCRITS "honest men with integrity"?

And you want to be like them. Well, thanks for your honesty!

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.




132 posted on 03/25/2014 3:59:39 AM PDT by rdb3 (Get out the putter, this one's on the green.)
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To: Finny

Nope. But certain trends can be determined by looking at demographics.


133 posted on 03/25/2014 5:26:48 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Ann Archy

Does not matter if I stay home or not. I live in California, nuf said.


134 posted on 03/25/2014 6:59:18 AM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: Ann Archy
Ann? I'd have voted for Newt Gingrich.

Do I think Gingrich was perfect? FAR FROM IT. But I'd have voted for him gladly.

Do you know why? WHY would I have voted for Gingrich, ANN??? HELLO??????? Even though I disagree with him considerably on many issues and principles? WHY would I have voted for him, ANN??????? Hey, ANN?

Because I'm not a purist, you idiot. Yes, "idiot," a deliberate insult because the accusation of "purist" is nothing MORE and nothing LESS than an insult. PURISTS ARE FIGMENTS OF YOUR ANGRY IMAGINATION.

Ann, you will no more have the guts to answer this question than any of the other dozen FReepers I've asked, but WHAT did you vote FOR? Don't tell me what you voted against, Ann. I already know that. What did you vote FOR?

135 posted on 03/25/2014 7:22:23 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Ann Archy
P.S. I voted. I didn't stay home. I voted in the 2012 presidential. And I know EXACTLY what I was voting for. Do you know what you were voting for?

Hey, Ann -- TELL US. In writing, right here on Free Republic. When you voted for Romney what were you voting FOR?

Don't tell me what you were voting "against." I already know.

Explain to me: WHAT WERE YOU VOTING FOR?

136 posted on 03/25/2014 7:24:47 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Trends are a hell of a lot different than "destiny."

Morality is destiny. Demography is pretense.

137 posted on 03/25/2014 7:27:04 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

I can answer that for her I WAS VOTING FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT A MUSLIM MARXIST END OF STORY!!!!!


138 posted on 03/25/2014 7:33:09 AM PDT by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Kit cat
So you'd have voted for Ron Paul if he'd gotten the nomination? If Hillary switched parties but not political philosophies (they match Romney's right down the line now), you'd have voted for her?

That is a lazy, piss-poor answer and you know it. When you voted for Romney as someone who "a muslim Marxist end of story," what were you voting FOR?

For the love of God, THINK about it! Don't you even wonder what you were voting FOR????????

139 posted on 03/25/2014 7:37:14 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Kit cat; Ann Archy; All
I WAS VOTING FOR SOMEONE WHO WAS NOT A MUSLIM MARXIST END OF STORY!!!!!

As opposed to voting FOR someone who was a leftist tyrant? Because that is what you DID vote for, though he wasn't Muslim and wasn't Marxist.

In other words, Kit Cat, Ann Archer, and all the rest of you who insist that those of us who refused to vote for Romney were "purists" even though most of us would have voted for Gingrich when we disagree with him profoundly on many issues ... hmmm .. how is that purist???? .... but ...

... in other words, you voted without a single solitary reflection as to what you were voting FOR.

How do you vote "against"?

By voting FOR something else.

So -- when you voted for Romney, I know you were voting "against" Obama. WHAT WERE YOU VOTING FOR?

I voted third party and I know exactly what I was voting for. Do ANY OF YOU know what you were voting for? Did any of you who so stupidly and defensively and deceitfully insult me and others as being "purists," did any of you even give any thought as to what you were voting FOR?

Or were you so blindly panicked and fearful that you failed completely to consider what you were voting FOR?

140 posted on 03/25/2014 7:44:44 AM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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