Dan Cathy Takes the Mark of the Beast

Scott Lively Ministries ^ | March 23, 2014 | Scott Lively

[fwdude]

That headline is not true. Dan Cathy of Chick Fil A has not (to my knowledge) taken the Mark of the Beast. Yet he has done something that suggests he might be willing to take it if faced with that choice, in the same way that answering a poll is an indication of how a person will vote in an election. As the Bible says in Luke 16:10, “He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much.”

Dan Cathy was given a great opportunity by God to show faithfulness to His truth by standing for authentic marriage. He became a great hero to Bible-believing Christians by refusing to back down when the homo-fascists demanded he retract pro-family statements in 2012. The mayors of Boston, Chicago and Philadelphia even pledged to deny Chick Fil A business permits in their cities (coincidentally the very penalty listed in Rev 13:17: “they could not buy or sell without the mark”), but the overwhelming nationwide wave of support that Chick Fil A received was one of the most encouraging events of the past decade.

This week, Dan Cathy took it all back by saying His stand for God was a business mistake. (After all, one cannot serve both God and Mammon: Matthew 6:24)

Nobody knows better than I do the price that one pays for standing up to the LGBT bullies. They are not only vindictive and relentless, they are also very creative in their methods of harassment. And there is an entire army of them ready to pounce on anyone who crosses them. I am absolutely certain that they tried their best to make Dan Cathy’s life a constant, living hell since 2012.

Just think of the nastiness of high-profile elections in the final weeks of a campaign when the mud-slinging is the fiercest and the dirty tricks are the most cruel and invasive. Now multiply that by ten, take away the throngs of energized supporters rallying behind the candidate being attacked (so he has to face it alone), and stretch it out over months or even years. Throw in a few honey-tongued “hostage negotiators” pretending friendliness and concern (in this case Shane Windmeyer of “Campus Pride), promising that all the pain will go away if you just compromise the truth. If you can imagine that you can get a glimpse of what it’s like to be targeted by the “gays.” The greater your threat to their agenda, the worse it gets.

It’s really hard to stand up to that kind of pressure, and I have sympathy for Mr. Cathy, but it’s nowhere close to the amount of pressure that Christians will face in the days of persecution that lie ahead of us. Persecution like many of our brothers and sisters in Moslem countries, for example, are already facing.

True, defending the plain truth that God limits sexuality to the confines of authentic marriage, and specially condemns homosexuality from Genesis to Revelation, is not the same as defending the deity of Christ and your allegiance to Him. One’s salvation does not hinge upon the perfection of one’s doctrine. But it is still very important to God.

I am convinced that God is using the homosexual issue as a test of believers all over the world. It’s like the “stress test” the central bankers are using to forecast which banks would fail in the event of an economic collapse. Except in this case God is testing us for what we will do in the coming moral and spiritual collapse. The Bible hasn’t changed, only the culture has changed, and believers are being “stress tested” to see whether they stand with Him or with the world on the things He says are true but which the world is pressing very hard to declare false.

God’s rebuke to Jeremiah when he complained about the power of the wicked should be ringing in our ears about now: “If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses? If you fall down in a land of peace, How will you do in the thicket of the Jordan?” (Jeremiah 12:1-5)

The good thing about a stress test is that it gives people an opportunity to change their ways (repent) before the final exam or the big crash. God doesn’t care about Chick Fil A’s profit margins if they come at the expense of Dan Cathy’s willingness to stand up for the truth under pressure. What would it profit Mr. Cathy to gain the whole world (or a few more restaurants on college campuses), if his compromise of Biblical truth today makes him less able to resist the real Mark of the Beast tomorrow?

I’m not saying that Dan Cathy isn’t saved, but he has certainly failed the stress test, and failed the Bible-believing Christian remnant everywhere, by surrendering to the “gay” bullies. How long before we see Chick Fil A running “gay”-friendly commercials as penance for Cathy‘s “homophobia?”

Where is courage in Christendom? Where is the loyalty to Christ that once placed love for Hid Word above every other thing, including life itself? Why have we become so afraid of the opinions of men who hate God and His truth?

There are varying theological views about what the Mark of the Beast is, or will be, and which ones among us will face that choice of taking or rejecting it. Nevertheless, it stands as a symbol to all Christians everywhere as the choice for or against Christ when the sword is on your neck and to choose Christ means to die saved, or live condemned to hell. The stress test of pressure from “gay” bullies is not life or death, but it is an indicator of whether you have the faith and courage to choose Him over the things of this world. In my mind’s eye I used to see the Mark of the Beast as a black dot on the back of the hand. Now it looks more like a Chick Fil A sandwich. I’ll never buy another one, and I hope you won’t either.

[fwdude]

I’m not sure if you know anything about Lively, but he is in the vicious bullseye of the Gaystapo like no one else for opposing the suffocating homosexual agenda from the center of the beast, Massachusetts. He has been charged in federal court for “crimes against humanity” for merely speaking with Ugandan officials on his experience fighting the homosexual agenda in his state. If anyone know the viciousness and absolute contempt that the homosexual lobby has for anyone with a moral compass, it’s Scott Lively.

He doesn’t make these remarks lightly, he has seen capitulation under the constant barrage of homosexual attacks. You speak of which you know nothing.

[fwdude]

If you really wanted to see the complete quote from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, who conducted the interview, you would have Googled it yourself.

The fact is that you really have no interest in what Dan Cathy actually said.

[MacNaughton]

2 I’ll take something from anyone who names his “ministry” after himself with a grain of salt. ...

Your cynicism is warranted, but in this case, Scott Lively is 1 of the good guys who is "fighting the good fight". He is fighting a lawsuit in MA where he is the defendant and the plaintiffs are homosexualists who are financially backed by George Soros.

Many of us on FR became aware of Scott Lively through his 1995 book ...

According to the authors, homosexuality found in the Nazi Party contributed to the extreme militarism of Nazi Germany. The title of the book, as well as the book itself, is a reference to The Pink Triangle: The Nazi War Against Homosexuals, a book in which Richard Plant details homophobia in the Nazi Party and the homosexual victims of Nazism. Lively and Abrams also take up the subject of Nazism in America and discuss the Boy Scouts. They state that many leaders in the German Nazi regime, including Adolf Hitler himself, were homosexual and says that eight of the top ten serial killers in the US were homosexuals. They claim that persecution of homosexuals was only directed towards feminine homosexuals.

The Pink Swastika - 4th on-line edition

Billy Graham founded his Billy Graham Evangelistic Association in 1950. I think on balance, his ministry has been good.

[fwdude]

Thanks for your moderating voice, Mac. I was going to bring up Billy Graham’s namesake ministry, but I’m quite sure the original poster wasn’t interested in being convinced.

[Resettozero]

It’s sad when two Christian houses call a pox on one another.

But it has been like that pretty much all along, hasn't it? These days, many church members' understandings reflect fear of the world (system) and what harm might happen to them, and how best to protect themselves and their families from all perceived hurts that may come.

I've found it best to count myself dead to the world (system), while observing its rules and regs as well as I can, and considering myself already crucified, dead, and risen with Jesus Christ. His struggles with pain, embarrassments, humiliations, and feeling of abandonment on the cross are far weightier that any discomforts I've experienced or could experience.

[MacNaughton]

7 Is there a link anywhere to see exactly what Cathy said and the context he said it in?

12 I want to see the quote and the context....

13 Exactly. The original Cathy comment that caused the kerfuffle was made in an Baptist magazine so obscure that I, a Baptist, had not heard of it. It was blown way out of proportion by people with an agenda, which could very well be what this is.

19 Until I hear otherwise I say it's just someone trying to promote himself by stirring up a hsit-storm that hurts someone else. ...

26 I don’t even know Dan Cathy but I have more respect for him then this writer or you. He has done tremendous work and evangelism for Christ.

28 Worth repeating: “Is there a link anywhere to see exactly what Cathy said and the context he said it in?”

32 Glad to see the Pharisees are alive and well in 2014.

48 Let's see the verification please.

52 Can we see a REAL QUOTE where Dan Cathy said what this Lively jackass claims ? Or is it merely an attack on what Dan Cathy DIDN’T say?

You want references about Scott Lively? Read post #63 about his bona fides. You asked about Dan Cathy's quotes and you shall recieve.

Americans for Truth about Homosexuality
Chick fil-A CEO Dan Cathy Sells Out – Heeds Advice of ‘Gay’ Activist to Retreat on Pro-Natural-Marriage Advocacy

[cuban leaf]

I went to the link. I’m still not seeing the quote from Cathy, but quotes from people paraphrasing what they think he said and or meant.

[Starstruck]

That is not a quote from Cathy. That is a quote about a quote from Cathy. Learn the difference. That is relying on second hand information.

[fwdude]

Why don’t YOU tell us what an acceptable citation source would be, so that we can satisfy your demand?

Would a personal visit from Dan Cathy telling you what he said do it for you?

[Starstruck]

If you really wanted to see the complete quote from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, who conducted the interview, you would have Googled it yourself.

Googled it and they want money. Since you evidently paid to see the quote or you wouldn't be so adamant he made it. Give us the quotes.

[cuban leaf]

Why don’t YOU tell us what an acceptable citation source would be, so that we can satisfy your demand?

---

For starters, it would be a source that actually quotes him in complete sentences. A context would be nice, but I’d be happy with complete sentences.

The only complete sentence I’ve seen quoted is not at all damning. Only the inferences made by those judging him are damning and inferences are not the same as what he said.

[fwdude]

Only the inferences made by those judging him are damning and inferences are not the same as what he said.

The ones "judging" him are on our side!!! Lively and LaBarbera are stalwart champions of conservatism and are viciously attacked for it incessantly. They know when an ally is compromising, and they know that it harms the cause of conservatism immensely and irrevocably.

[fwdude]

Pay your own damn money if you want the truth! If not, shut up. You’re not interested in the truth.

[MacNaughton]

68 That is not a quote from Cathy. That is a quote about a quote from Cathy. Learn the difference. That is relying on second hand information.

Fair criticism, but more than a little harsh. As you read, to access the original AJC article 1 must register and subscribe to it. No thanks. But I have followed the guys at "Americans for Truth about Homosexuality" and believe they are on the level. I did pursue the other issue mentioned in the article about C-f-A decreasing its charitable giving to anti-homosexual groups ...

Chick-fil-A’s Foundations Dramatically Reduce Anti-LGBT Giving (Updated)

"... it appears that the company foundations scaled back anti-LGBT giving by simply scaling back all of its giving to outside non-profits. Their few donations included contributions to WinShape’s home in Brazil for needy children, scholarships for a Christian college in Georgia, and money for Habitat for Humanity and the United Negro College Fund."

So, Dan Cathy is not only no longer "talking the talk" in public regarding biblical marriage but he is also no longer "walking the walk" by blacklisting for donations pro-family groups opposed to homosexual marriage/adoption.

[cuban leaf]

I’m reminded of some evangelical religious leader (IIRC it was jerry Fallwell, or Pat Robertson) making diparaging remarks about Desmond Tutu back in the 20th century. I saw all sorts of stories from both sides skewering him for what he said, but it was WEEKS before I found an article that actually quoted him. In fact, thanks to the internet, it’s easy to see today: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pat+robertson+desmond+tutu+does+not+speak+for+all+the+blacks+of+south+africa&oq=pat+robertson+desmond+tutu+does+not+speak+for+all+the+blacks+of+south+africa

What he actually said was that TUTU did not speak for the majority of blacks in South Africa, and what he said was actually true. Tutu was at odds with the Zulu’s, which were the majority of blacks in SA.

I don’t want to be doing the same thing here. I want to see what Cathy actually said and the conditions under which he said it.

[fwdude]

I will look for the original quote later, even if I have to pay to get it. I will post as much as is allowed without copy write infringement.

Please keep in mind the ensuing development of this incident.

Cathy met with virulent homosexual activists after he spoke on marriage in 2012, and placated them with assurances that he would not donate any longer to organizations which the homosexual groups deemed “anti-gay” in their stances on marriage. This is a fact.

[cuban leaf]

Cathy met with virulent homosexual activists after he spoke on marriage in 2012, and placated them with assurances that he would not donate any longer to organizations which the homosexual groups deemed “anti-gay” in their stances on marriage. This is a fact.

---

The only place I’ve read that is in the post to which I’m responding. No offense, but it takes significant evidence for me to “turn on someone”, and that involves more than “people on my side” turning on him. The story makes no sense. I’ve raised six teenagers. I’ve learned that when a story makes no sense it is either because it is a lie or key facts are being ignored or hidden, intentionally or not.

[driftdiver]

Lets start with the title “Dan Cathy Takes the Mark of the Beast”.

If that cannot be substantiated then the article is a lie to start with?

oh wait the author says its a lie so why go any further.

[Starstruck]

Pay your own damn money if you want the truth! If not, shut up. You’re not interested in the truth.

You are the one making the accusations. What are you basing these accusations on? You don't want the truth either. You want to vomit some third party hearsay. I contribute to use this forum so telling me to shut up because I don't want the truth while you have no interest in offering it is crap. Give us Cathy's actual quotes so we know the truth. If I wanted to spend money on the MSM I wouldn't be here and neither would I be willing to use them as sources.

[cyclotic]

The national leaders destroyed their own institution. Frankly it still sickens me. My son earned Eagle last year. We are attending the eagle recognition dinner this week. I bear no ill will for the volunteers because this was caused completely by nation directors who turned a blind eye to the will of the members.

My job is to help the young men in my charge. I can’t do that in good faith with BSA.