Posted on 03/22/2014 8:35:52 PM PDT by kindred
I would say that a declaration of independence is certainly calling for a finish to the status quo government.
"For my own part I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty towards the majesty of heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings."
"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?"
"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth -- to know the worst and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years, to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House?"
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"Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament."
"..In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope."
Enjoy..
I don't indulge "the fond hope of peace and reconciliation" at all. And I know Patrick Henry's Saint John's speech very well.
I know there is no longer any coexistence with the other side; they're following Marx and HIS definition of peace - "The absence of opposition to OUR goals."
They will keep pushing until they get what they want - either by force of law, or outright lethal coercion.
My point, over and over again, it seems, is that some people insist on offering nothing but complaining and whining about how "finished" we are, instead of offering viable solutions and actionable plans - and THAT does NOTHING to make it better; all it does is let the other side know that SOME of us feel like we're on the ropes, and that the Leftards have done their psyops job well.
So, again, if that's where you stand on it - you're not helping. You're being part of the disease.
If you have solutions, then that would be part of the cure. Let's commiserate and figure out how.
AND - if your cure is what we ALL already know it will probably be, then once again, complaining about how "it's OVER! We're FINISHED!!!" ad infinitum, ad nauseaum, does nothing to bolster your potential allies' faith in you.
I'm not sure how to be ANY clearer than that.
"I know there is no longer any coexistence with the other side; they're following Marx and HIS definition of peace - "The absence of opposition to OUR goals."
They will keep pushing until they get what they want - either by force of law, or outright lethal coercion. "
So it seems we are agreement.
But, you are making a mistake by "assuming" that I and others are doing nothing. Now having said this, let it be known that I will not submit an action plan and follow-up status for you or anyone else's approval on this board.
This whole process with the situation is still going to take some time to work itself through. There may be a flashpoint such as CT, or not. Only if the CT govt pushes it. Cali did not push their ban.
On a side note, I really enjoyed the movie Michael Collins with Liam Neeson.
“..let it be known that I will not submit an action plan and follow-up status for you or anyone else’s approval on this board. ...”
You don’t “need” my approval - or anyone elses. Again, you seem to have missed my point. It’s not anything to do with approval; it’s about knocking off the defeatist BS on an open forum that gets trolled daily.
RE Collins:
It is in fact an excellent movie, and one of my favorites.
Oh, and thanks for the exhortation to me and others to make sure that we are doing something and not just sitting on our hands. Your wake up call is needed. Just as was Patrick Henry’s wake up call needed.
Since I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic, I’ll assume you’re not and say “Anytime”.
Any little part you do is better than complaining.
I became a firearms instructor JUST for that reason. To teach other people about their right to defend themselves, their heritage and history, and to show them how to do so with the most expedient device ever created.
You - we- have a part to play in the grand scheme of things, so you play it. However it turns out is up to God.
Sorry, I wasn’t clear, I was not being sarcastic.
Thanks for your honesty. I will work to tone it down.
One Team, One Fight
Me too!
Don't they? They do if their mission is to undermine our resolve. Their defeatist attitudes, right off the bat, smells like a dead fish. Don't put anything past our enemies.
"The Big Green Machine taught me you never sugarcoat the enemy’s capabilities."
My point exactly.
"Blowing rectal-smoke to the commander about what he’s facing in battle gets people killed. Stepsister and FYC both get it: by whatever euphemism you choose (the Rubicon, the event horizon, the edge-of-the-cliff, or Alea Iacta Est), this nation has arrived. Great Ghod, I wish more people would get it, but normalcy bias and Pollyanna dreams is what folks cloak their eyes with."
That's where you and I don't agree. I don't think we're at that point yet. There are a helluva lot of steps we need to take between waving the white lag and fixing bayonets. At the risk of pi**ing off the FReeper blog police, I'll pimp my own blog, where I just wrote a (lengthy) article about what we can do before loading magazines. Anyone who cares to read it can find it here:
How to save the American Republic without having to fire a shot (hopefully)
We can still fix things if we a) get busy, right freakin' now, and b) give the "surrender or fight" talk a rest. By all means, let's be ready to roll if all else fails, but let's pull out all the stops first. If we don't do everything we can before the shooting starts, people will die that don't have to. It will be our collective fault, too.
I'm not a Pollyanna, and I bristle at the suggestion that I am, whether intended or not. I am a realist, but I'm not a fatalist or a defeatist. There are things we can do, if we'd just do them, and do them right the frack now! The problem is that I believe too many of us either want a shooting war, or are so afraid of that happening that they're willing to throw up their hands in surrender. Compounding the problem is that Leftist cyber guerrillas, aka trolls, are busy disrupting on fora like FReep and TB2K. So no, I don't trust newbies, especially those who come right out of the newbie gates urging us to give up on our Republic.
Yes, we need everyone, but we need them to be strong and resolute. Defeatism hurts us. Everyone who spouts the "America is finished" line creates more doubt among our more sheepish and fearful, and makes them doubt our cause. We don't need more of that, as we have too much already. Alex is bad enough, but at least he's been around here long enough to have established himself (as a lying coward). Newbies who echo that whiny, wimpy, "America is not worth saving" line are highly suspicious.
Which reminds me, Alex...where's the quote, you lying worm?
Dawg soldiers up! Woof, woof!
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Don't underestimate your enemy. Those who think I'm just being paranoid about Leftist trolls being on FReep and other conservative fora, read these articles:
Confirmation of paid political Trolls
Beware of the Trolls: Is Liberal Troll Activity Increasing?
There are more articles to be found, and as you see, Leftist trolling is nothing new. The Obammunists are fighting the Alinski-ish psychological war against us, and too many of us are falling for it hook, line and sinker. Just because someone claims to be a conservative patriot doesn't mean they are. Be careful who you trust.
So Alex...where's the quote, you lying, cowardly sack of garbage?
Manger dawgs up! Woof, woof!
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Hey!! I like your blog!!!!
Spot-on!
Woof!
Well. You do a good job of sounding like jack-booted thugs, trying to run off anyone that might disagree with you. Especially if you don’t who they are. I am sure you will get over it.
NFHale at least had the nads to send me some private mails so we could discuss things. The rest of you sound like liberal trolls trying to silence those who might challenge and disagree with you - straight from their playbook.
Cheers!
Hmm! Off to read a blog...
This, from someone who's been on this forum for what -- two weeks? News flash for ya, newbie...we're known quantities. You, OTOH, have everything to prove, and some of us ain't very impressed. Watch, listen, and learn.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
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bfl
JBT's? No, that's the province of your liberal pals in the RINO establishment.
We're just a bunch of ordinary patriots who take exception to newbies talking down our country, our real leaders, and our mission to stand against the tyranny of the left.
We also don't feel the need to be 'reasonable' with surrender monkeys, doom and gloomers, and assorted defeatists who (intentionally or not) are a debilitating infection among the troops.
If you fit into any of the aforementioned categories, you're going to be getting a lot of grief from the resident Dawg Soldiers.
WOOF!!
Well, you all could be right, I may be in the wrong place.
I am not impressed with the maturity around here.
Cheerio!
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