[meatloaf]

It is our business since we were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum. Is it worth going to war over? No! However, we need to at least provide the Ukrainians with the small arms they requested.

Otherwise we played a major part in duping them into surrendering their nuclear weapons. As for vital interest, that should be obvious. While many cheered the end of the Cold War, the Russians never gave up on their efforts. They have been on the other side of numerous confrontations. Syria and Iran are examples.

We’re taking the wrong road if we don’t provide the wherewithal for Ukraine to defend itself. History will not be kind to us nor our progeny.

[dfwgator]

It is our business since we were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum.

Bill Clinton was a signatory, I don't recall the Senate ever ratifying it.

[dforest]

Supposedly that Memorandum would have had to be approved by Congress to be binding. It was not.

[lepton]

It is our business since we were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum.

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Very much so.

Is it worth going to war over? No!

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We’re at the very difficult “it’s been thoroughly botched and is too late to do it right; but need to not make it worse” stage.

Fixing this going forward probably requires removing the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State, and then giving the new team time to get in to gear.