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Ron Paul on Crimea: Why does US Care ?
Politico ^ | March 18, 2014 | Tal Kopan

Posted on 03/18/2014 11:16:19 AM PDT by opentalk

Former Rep. Ron Paul says that America’s reaction to Crimea’s vote to secede from Ukraine should be,“so what?”

“Why does the U.S. care which flag will be hoisted on a small piece of land thousands of miles away?” the Texas Republican and libertarian icon wrote in a USA Today op-ed Monday.

...Over the weekend, Crimeans voted to secede from Ukraine and join Russia,which the Russian government has moved to approve. American politicians have called the vote a sham and the administration has said it does not recognize the results of the vote,placing sanctions on some Russian officials in response.

Ron Paul said at least three other regions, Catalonia, Scotland and Venice,are similarly seeking to leave their countries, and the U.S. and Europe should allow events to proceed uninterrupted there as well as Crimea, saying “self-determination is a centerpiece of international law.”

… Paul said the “minimal” sanctions from the White House is all the global economy can afford, and it is the global economy that promotes peace,not intervention.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


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To: Sherman Logan
I do believe the Red Army had something to do with that.

I do believe the US financed the Red Army and the Soviet infrastructure.

141 posted on 03/18/2014 4:34:06 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: opentalk

Who cares? People like Soros and the bankers/financiers of Europe care a lot like they have for years at least going back to the days of Wilson when the Fed Reserve was foisted on the USA by the same group of financiers. Putin is giving the USA an opportunity to break away from this group, not that he would intentionally do the USA any favor.


142 posted on 03/18/2014 4:45:59 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: MarMema; CodeToad

Odesa (where this attack happened) is in the southern part of the country, one that was backing Russia and Yanukovich. Not western part of Ukraine that rebelled against Yanukovich.

The picture in the link, with the heading “A picture from the attackers’ page on a local social media site, according to the students” is showing a RUSSIAN nazi (the shirt reads “I am Russian”) who hate Ukrainians more than Jews, if it’s even possible.

Tsk, tsk MarMema - shame on you


143 posted on 03/18/2014 5:33:16 PM PDT by Ivan Mazepa
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To: Carry_Okie

To some extent. For which investment they did 90% of the killing and 90% of the dying in the war.

Somehow I don’t think Americans would have been thrilled with 5M or 10M dead Americans instead of .25M. Actually, quite a few less against the Germans.


144 posted on 03/18/2014 5:57:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: noinfringers2

SorosMSM and NGO’s are escalating the conflict. Seems similar to Libya, Egypt, Syria urgency


145 posted on 03/18/2014 6:06:24 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Sherman Logan
To some extent. For which investment they did 90% of the killing and 90% of the dying in the war.

Instead of helping the Soviets, we could have let Hitler get over-extended in Siberia and taken Germany before he could reverse field.

Somehow I don’t think Americans would have been thrilled with 5M or 10M dead Americans instead of .25M. Actually, quite a few less against the Germans.

Next time, think. Patton had it right.

146 posted on 03/18/2014 6:33:58 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I think if the Nazis took Moscow, Stalin is overthrown. Perhaps Khrushchev would have led the coup, or maybe the Bolsheviks are tossed completely.


147 posted on 03/18/2014 6:35:27 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I think if the Nazis took Moscow, Stalin is overthrown. Perhaps Khrushchev would have led the coup, or maybe the Bolsheviks are tossed completely.

Yup, had we played our cards to win, both fascism and Bolshevism would have been defeated. Such would not have pleased Stalin's Marxist fans in Roosevelt's administration. We never would have had to pay for the cold war.

148 posted on 03/18/2014 9:43:58 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie

And Hitler’s mistake was not recognizing how easy it could have been to get the Russians to fight amongst themselves and therefore “Divide and Conquer.”


149 posted on 03/18/2014 9:48:06 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: opentalk

He does have a point, although I’d step up energy sales to the Ukrainian government.


150 posted on 03/18/2014 9:48:25 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: opentalk

He does have a point, although I’d step up energy sales to the Ukrainian government.


151 posted on 03/18/2014 9:48:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: opentalk

He does have a point, although I’d step up energy sales to the Ukrainian people. (Not the government.)


152 posted on 03/18/2014 9:49:07 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

I would drill like crazy and supply Europe and undercut Russia on price.


153 posted on 03/18/2014 9:49:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: opentalk

Any vote that gets numbers like 97 percent makes me suspicious, especially when there are troops all around to influence the vote by force if need be.


154 posted on 03/18/2014 9:50:07 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: dfwgator

Europe and Ukraine.


155 posted on 03/18/2014 9:50:43 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: rjsimmon

Nice summary .. thank you, sir.


156 posted on 03/18/2014 9:56:53 PM PDT by tomkat ( it's real close)
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To: dfwgator
And Hitler’s mistake was not recognizing how easy it could have been to get the Russians to fight amongst themselves and therefore “Divide and Conquer.”

An astute observation.

157 posted on 03/18/2014 10:01:35 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Ivan Mazepa

Thanks. Shame on ynet actually. I appreciate your update.


158 posted on 03/19/2014 2:56:43 AM PDT by MarMema ("If Americans really wanted Obamacare, you wouldn't need a law to make them buy it." Ted Cruz)
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To: Carry_Okie

Abandoning an ally and then attacking him is something only an absolutist and utterly dishonorable government can do.

Thank goodness the USA, at least then, was incapable of such a thing, regardless of how much sense it might have made from a geopolitical sense.


159 posted on 03/19/2014 4:52:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Abandoning an ally and then attacking him is something only an absolutist and utterly dishonorable government can do.

When Hitler attacked Poland, he took on the same status as Hitler. When Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, we had every option not to declare them an "ally."

IOW, there is no dishonor involved; your point is specious.

160 posted on 03/19/2014 6:25:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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