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To: justiceseeker93

No, I don’t believe that. I still have seen no evidence that any election recently was stolen. Fraud may have padded some totals, but until conservatives get off this notion that every loss is due to fraud, they’ll never win again.


75 posted on 03/18/2014 7:43:55 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS; justiceseeker93

Actually the truth is the exact opposite.

As long as Rs have no guts, spine or gonads, and continue to turn a blind eye to massive, criminal, coordinated election fraud, we’ll continue on the merry path to hell.

Gutless cowards who always compromise with the evil lefitsts are worse than useless. They’re enablers. We need real statesmen who have no fear, have the courage of their convictions, consitutional principles, and personal morality.

Otherwise we’re doomed.


76 posted on 03/18/2014 7:54:01 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: LS; Ohioan; Spaulding; GOPJ; Marcella; RitaOK; patriot08; GonzoGOP; Red in Blue PA; ml/nj; ...
No, I don’t believe that. I still have seen no evidence that any election recently was stolen. Fraud may have padded some totals, but until conservatives get off this notion that every loss is due to fraud, they’ll never win again.

Never said that every loss is due to fraud. But clearly there were at least a few, which is a few too many. When you have multiple precincts in Philadelphia and Cleveland, for example, reporting ZERO votes for Romney in the last presidential election (never mind that Romney to some degree ran as a RINO), there is direct evidence of fraud in vote counting. Even in predominantly black precincts, there are some anti-Obama voters. There are shutouts in baseball and football, but there are no shutouts in electoral politics this side of the Soviet Union. Don't know how Pennsylvania and Ohio would have gone if the elections there were reasonably honest, but they obviously weren't.

Look at Coleman vs. Franken in Minnesota and the phony recount - conducted under the auspices of a Democrat secretary of state - which flipped a Coleman win into a Franken win.

Look also at the House race between incumbent Bob Dornan (definitely a conservative Republican) and Loretta Sanchez in southern California over a decade ago. There was evidence there of massive voting by aliens and fictitious relatives, enough to tip the election to Sanchez.

In the last presidential election, I followed state-by-state polling (by reputable pollsters with pretty good track records) in the presidential race closely, to just before election day. About the only ways to account statistically for Obama's consistent outperforming of poll estimates in all the swing states would be fraud and cheating - which goes beyond the measurement capabilities of the best pollsters - and/or flawed polling techniques. Given the history of these pollsters, it is logical to think that the fraud and cheating had the greater impact on the discrepancies between the reported vote results and the pollsters' projections.

And some very strange anomaly occurred in that presidential race as well: never had a president been re-elected to a second term with fewer popular votes than in he received in his first election. Plus, in another rarity, the total presidential vote for 2012 was less than in 2008, even though the population definitely increased during that time. Which begs the question: did anti-Obama voters fail to show up, or were many Romney votes simply not counted - especially in swing states?

Despite all these clues to fraud and cheating going on, no one on "official" Republican ranks is making this much of an issue, the fear seeming to be that anyone who proposes measures to improve election procedure integrity will be tarred with the "R" word. Until Republicans get more aggressive on election integrity, it will be difficult to win back the White House and even the Senate this year.

86 posted on 03/18/2014 10:33:25 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: LS

I think most fraud takes place where democrats are likely to win anyway. The recent election for Mayor of Detroit was an interesting race. It wasn’t so much about fraud as it was an attempt to manipulate the race by deciding who could run and what votes would be counted.

It doesn’t make it right and it does need to be addressed.


87 posted on 03/18/2014 10:46:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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