“Thanks for the reply. And I agree with you in general, while in some particulars I think some things need to be thought through (or at least by me.)
While I do believe that the fed is unreformable, I do have hope that in the states we may succeed. For this reason, I don’t and won’t give in.
I see almost everyone referring to the fed and no one never referring back to the states. So I am wondering what will be the role in our states? Our states have some responsibility and authority in relation to us and the feds and I think we should not overlook this. I think we should explore how to make use of them. Each state is currently taking a different attitude towards all of this and some are FOR us, whereas the fed is NOT FOR us.
Anyway, I am trying to explore this and work it out as it relates to using the states. No one has yet wanted to comment on this topic. Oh well, maybe it is a rabbit hole, and I should drop it.”
So...what’s your take on why there can be no reform?
Personally, I think WE can either step up to the plate and perform our duty as citizens, or....we can just fling up the white flag. There really are no other choices.
On another thread, someone defined reform as:
"I believe nothing short of removing every elected, appointed, and hired government office holder, official, and worker, will be required to reform the U.S. government. Every single person connected to the federal government, in any way, must be removed from 'service' to excise the rot that infects it."
Ok, I agree that this is needed to have the changes that are necessary.
He then went on to say that this doesn't need to be done via bloodshed, but by "Tens of millions...Overwhelming, unrelenting, overpowering numbers of determined Americans, all showing up and saying, "You're All Fired!" What's needed is a force that is so huge, it cannot be resisted."
So his definition of reformed is ten of millions Americans peaceably demanding and getting every current government person removed/replaced [and rolling back the government to about the 1900s].
I just don't see this happening. I don't see ten of millions Americans in the streets. And I don't see every government person removed/replaced.
You said, " step up to the plate and perform our duty as citizens, or....we can just fling up the white flag". I don't believe we just fling up the white flag. We have a duty to protect our family (physically, spiritually, sexually [no homosexual indoctrination], etc.) When any entity encroaches upon our duty, then we have another duty to ward off that entity.
Two examples to look at: 1) revolutionary war [RW], and 2) civil war [CW]. Regarding RW, for many years, the people petitioned their government, the people did not give in, but they were patient. They did their duty to protect themselves by defending their right to own arms. After the shot heard round the world and a few more altercations the states realized the government was non-reformable and seceded. In CW we have a similar situation. In both cases, notice how the states took responsibility and authority to protect their people.