[ForYourChildren]

"So...what’s your take on why there can be no reform?" I may be quibbling over the definition of the term.

On another thread, someone defined reform as:

"I believe nothing short of removing every elected, appointed, and hired government office holder, official, and worker, will be required to reform the U.S. government. Every single person connected to the federal government, in any way, must be removed from 'service' to excise the rot that infects it."

Ok, I agree that this is needed to have the changes that are necessary.

He then went on to say that this doesn't need to be done via bloodshed, but by "Tens of millions...Overwhelming, unrelenting, overpowering numbers of determined Americans, all showing up and saying, "You're All Fired!" What's needed is a force that is so huge, it cannot be resisted."

So his definition of reformed is ten of millions Americans peaceably demanding and getting every current government person removed/replaced [and rolling back the government to about the 1900s].

I just don't see this happening. I don't see ten of millions Americans in the streets. And I don't see every government person removed/replaced.

You said, " step up to the plate and perform our duty as citizens, or....we can just fling up the white flag". I don't believe we just fling up the white flag. We have a duty to protect our family (physically, spiritually, sexually [no homosexual indoctrination], etc.) When any entity encroaches upon our duty, then we have another duty to ward off that entity.

Two examples to look at: 1) revolutionary war [RW], and 2) civil war [CW]. Regarding RW, for many years, the people petitioned their government, the people did not give in, but they were patient. They did their duty to protect themselves by defending their right to own arms. After the shot heard round the world and a few more altercations the states realized the government was non-reformable and seceded. In CW we have a similar situation. In both cases, notice how the states took responsibility and authority to protect their people.

[ourworldawry]

“I believe nothing short of removing every elected, appointed, and hired government office holder, official, and worker, will be required to reform the U.S. government. Every single person connected to the federal government, in any way, must be removed from ‘service’ to excise the rot that infects it.”

Ok, I agree that this is needed to have the changes that are necessary.

He then went on to say that this doesn’t need to be done via bloodshed, but by “Tens of millions...Overwhelming, unrelenting, overpowering numbers of determined Americans, all showing up and saying, “You’re All Fired!” What’s needed is a force that is so huge, it cannot be resisted.”

So his definition of reformed is ten of millions Americans peaceably demanding and getting every current government person removed/replaced [and rolling back the government to about the 1900s].

I just don’t see this happening. I don’t see ten of millions Americans in the streets. And I don’t see every government person removed/replaced.

You said, “ step up to the plate and perform our duty as citizens, or....we can just fling up the white flag”. I don’t believe we just fling up the white flag. We have a duty to protect our family (physically, spiritually, sexually [no homosexual indoctrination], etc.) When any entity encroaches upon our duty, then we have another duty to ward off that entity.

Two examples to look at: 1) revolutionary war [RW], and 2) civil war [CW]. Regarding RW, for many years, the people petitioned their government, the people did not give in, but they were patient. They did their duty to protect themselves by defending their right to own arms. After the shot heard round the world and a few more altercations the states realized the government was non-reformable and seceded. In CW we have a similar situation. In both cases, notice how the states took responsibility and authority to protect their people.

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Your responses ring true to what I believe as well. Whoever wrote that post is right about the manner in which we must fight/resist the malignancy of our leadership. Our response doesn’t require bloodshed, as we can both agree. What I’ve been harping on is the fact of employing what our Constitution compels us to do in this. Why we have not come to this united front ALREADY really confounds me. Hopefully, the states will do the “right thing” by their people. What a slippery slope.

However, I feel doing things the right way will not be on the minds of many...therefore placing an indelible stain our opportunity to effectively remove the malignancy (by going off the deep end). So this, is really a two-fold experience. We must first wake up the sheep. And THEN, move forward.

IMO, not stepping up to the plate, IS throwing up the white flag. Our duty to God FIRST, will provide the hedge of protection our families will need. He WILL direct us in the way we should go, and the things we should do if we just “listen”.

This, of course doesn’t mean Satan WON’T try to throw fiery dart at us. He WILL. But they can be quelled by our obedience to God. This is an entire country at stake that we are talking about. We have a “power behind the throne” that has been established long before us...nefariously, and selfishly seeking to destroy the God’s creation, which is US...mankind. He too, will destroy his followers, though they must destroy US “first”. So, what I mean about the “white flag” is...by doing anything other than what God commands us to do, we will not attain the victory over our enemies.

We must NEVER forget that God is STILL IN CONTROL, even though He HAS lifted His “Hand of Protection” from America. The sooner America realizes this, the better.