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It was not until I and others here covered Egypts Revolution, here on FR, that I saw so vividly just how far our government leaders, and the media would lower themselves...and to what end they would go. It was one thing to suspect, another thing altogether to observe and see.

But you are right about ‘removing the spin’ and over thinking...amazing how clear things become. And this understanding all players are in it to win...regardless if you agree with any position or not.

Actually it's very hard taking a position when they're all corrupt!

Yup.

One of the biggest problem America has is that it’s people either never learned their history or they are so far removed from it that it’s ‘make believe’...no different than a fairy tale or a TV show.

They might have read about the Revolutionary war, but they have not clue 1 as to what a sacrifice is. I mean lets face it. People of 2012 refused to vote for candidates based on the fact that a loss would mean losing a couple grand of income via taxes and such. It was too large a sacrifice.

contrast that to the founders who lost property, families and their lives in some cases based on their belief in freedom. I mean let that sink in lurkers. The cost of a big screen TV is the price they put on their freedom.

We are doomed. Literally doomed because those were supposedly conservative right wingers...the very people who supposedly hold history and the founders in highest regard. Until that pathetic situation changes, It is not at all surprising that those same people will armchair QB the Russia thing solely watching and buying the propaganda that comes from their $2000 ‘freedom’.

Without ever having an independent thought of their own based on a history they do not ‘really’ believe in.