False flag ops in Ukraine and Syria

[varmintman]

Several videos dealing with the leaked phone conversation between Estonian foreign minister Paet and Catherine Ashton have been going viral on youtube over the past three or four days, e.g. at about location 8:20 of this item:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZEgJ0oo3OA8

A few other takes:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/06/russian-un-ambassador-comes-out-swinging-on-leaked-call/#
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-democratic-coup-detat-killing-civilians-as-a-pretext-for-regime-change/5370705
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573923/Estonian-Foreign-Ministry-confirms-authenticity-leaked-phone-call-discussing-Kiev-snipers-shot-protesters-possibly-hired-Ukraines-new-leaders.html
http://www.storyleak.com/us-directed-regime-change-ukraine-guaranteed-provoke-russian-fury/
http://www.dailypaul.com/314078/cui-bono-ukrainian-false-flag
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/17804-same-ukraine-snipers-shot-cops-and-protesters-eu-call-suggests

One question which nobody is asking is this: To what extent is the sniping episode and the presumed legitimacy of blaming it on Yanukovich and/or Russians serving as a pretext for American attempts at involvement at this point? SHOULD the US government be going forward with ANYTHING here before the question is resolved?

As I see it, the US has gone to the well a couple of too many times with false-flag ops over the past couple of decades beginning with SlicK Clinton and Izetbegovic and their 5000 dead bodies, up to the most recent thing of trying to blame the use of sarin gas on Assad in Syria and, past some point, the world has seen this little show often enough that they get wise to it. They're probably starting to view us as a bunch of dangerous lunatics.

For that matter, given the nearness in time of the false-flag op in Syria and this latest failure, there is a big question as to who in our state department wants so badly to start some sort of a war with Russia, and why.

It would be good if somebody on the Republican/conservative side of things would start some sort of an investigation of our state department.

[Count of Monte Fisto]

You are right, and American idiots that still think we are good guys are delusional fools.

I think the American people are still "the good guys" for the most part. The men that have hijacked the US government through fraud and treachery are definitely "the bad guys". Its important to realize the distinction.

The dilemma is do good people cease to be good when they support a bad government, even if they've been tricked into doing so?

[elhombrelibre]

Blame Ukraine for Putin’s aggression. Smart.

[dforest]

Agreed, but how do they find out they are fooled? They do not recognize the distinction.

I see it here on FR.

[pierrem15]

The real question is how much FR is to become a forum for Russian propaganda?

[Corporate Democrat]

The call is real, but it’s about two European officials speculating about hearsay from a woman named Olga who claims to have evidence that it was the protestors who had themselves shot. Not exactly an admission of guilt there.

And it was Russia Today (New Pravda) who leaked this call, I wonder where they got it from?

[Count of Monte Fisto]

Agreed, but how do they find out they are fooled?

Just keep plugging away on here, other sites, with people you know, with people you meet. Some people are lost. They'll never wake up. They can't admit they made a mistake, they're too set in their ways, they're too afraid of the truth or they're paid shills. Forget about them. Don't worry about convincing everyone but still engage the debate. Somebody will see it and get the idea to do more research or maybe their on the fence or maybe they are aware but just need to know that there a other people out there like them. Every little bit helps.

[varmintman]

Paet notes in the conversation that the new "government" in Kiev is showing no inclination to investigate the snipings, noting that is telling. I've looked at fifteen or twenty different takes on this one and nobody is claiming any reason to think Yanukovich or Russians had anything to do with it.

Last major case I remember reading about of guys being willing to kill some halfway large number of their own people to achieve some end was the thing about SlicKKK KKKlintler, Izetbegovic, and their 5000 dead bodies.

[dforest]

Maybe you can refresh my memory. Remember back to 2009 when Obama took over. There is a country, probably the first one Obama meddled in, where the Obama admin was backing the Marxist who wanted to rewrite their Constitution. The marxist was chased out.

So much has happened since then, that I can’t remember which country that was.

[dforest]

Found it. Meddling in Honduras. That was the first inkling of what was to follow with the Obama regime.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2009/11/06/brokered-honduran-pact-fails-end-crisis

Remember, the Obama regime pro claimed they would never meddle in the affairs of other countries. We know now that meant they planned to meddle constantly for their real purpose, the NWO.