Posted on 03/14/2014 5:46:03 AM PDT by Daffynition
“Funny how fast reality sets in on these morons when they realize the sheep are biting back.”
Allow me to have an edit with your imagery:
Funny how fast reality sets in on these morons when they realize the sheep are sheep dogs with big teeth that bite.
:-)
“I also doubt that as much as 15% of the police force would refuse an order to confiscate guns. “
That’s a good thing to think about, but we need to differentiate between cops in liberal cities and elected 2nd amendment, Constitutional sheriffs.
We have examples in Colorado of how most sheriffs in the state will refuse gun confiscation orders by the idiot liberal governor. I live in a county with a constitutional sheriff, and he gives public speeches about how citizens need to arm themselves and become proficient with those arms.
:-) snicker
I'm a militia member in good standing with my local group. In fact, before my deployment to Afghanistan, I was the leader of a group in my state. We are in touch with our brothers in CT, and we have committed support to them should the need arise. Multiple groups from many states have.
I'm also a graduate of the Law of War course (DoD); and I can tell you there are many in uniform that don't understand this the issue because: they have never been educated. Think about that. Every soldier jacks his right hand in the air, taking an oath to defend the Constitution; having no idea what that means in terms of the 2nd Amendment: THEY LACK PRACTICAL APPLICATION. There is no course in any academy (officer or enlisted) in the military that touches on this. Zero. So it should not have been a surprise when civilians were disarmed during Hurricane Katrina.
I had a discussion with a JAG here on Free Republic, and this concept went straight over his head. A military lawyer couldn't understand that if there are zero hours dedicated to training: one should not expect that their exists a resident capability.
The same applies to police. Both military and police are "process-oriented" people. That's how they are trained. And if you fail to train them, then their interpretation is: it's not that important. If you do not inspect them, doubly so. In contrast, following orders is drilled into you. Guess which one wins out?
I'm also a private investigator, so yeah, I deal with cops every freaking day. I've spoken with cops about this issue 5 years ago when I first became a PI. There are plenty that will not follow a confiscation order. But that is a minority in my opinion, largely because of the lack of education as mentioned above. That is why they need to be exposed (like the current case with the CT cop), engaged by reason, systematically educated, or seeded by psyops.
So your whinny-ass charge that I want to make nice with bad cops is unfounded. I never said that.
By your group think, you don't believe engaging and education is a good or worthwhile course of action. Have you ever heard of Oath Keepers? How about Sheriff Mack and the Constitutional Sheriffs? Have you contributed and worked with these organizations? No? That is where the fight is, and it is on-going.
If you were to read the entire article, and do some research, you will find that engagement and education is EXACTLY what Mr. Cinque did. He engaged, and he educated. He didn't make nice or tuck his tail between his legs. He did it by engagement, and he did it masterfully. Now he has the police coming to him, asking for his terms for a way out. He is practicing Sun Tsu all over the place.
When you say "all", that means all. It doesn't mean "most" or 85%. I assumed you were using hyperbole because no one in their right mind would declare that all cops will take your guns. Really? My cousin is a cop. He is a conservative, constitutionally-minded cop, and will not take anyone's guns without cause. Your argument is refuted on its fallacious premise.
Anyone engaging law enforcement for the preservation of our constitutional rights will tell you that you do not know what you are talking about. Don't believe me? Go ahead, email Steve Rhodes over at Oath Keepers and try to walk that silly shit by him. Or Keith Broaders at Constitutional Sheriffs. Ask them if education and engagement is working, and if it is worthy of our time and effort.
And finally, the reality of CT's 2A issues isn't the cops. WE THE PEOPLE are responsible. This didn't happen overnight. This is a result of our collective apathy. We voted for people that shouldn't be in office. We didn't go to town hall meetings. We didn't serve on boards. We didn't write editorials or blogs. We didn't engage other people, and we didn't educate ourself. We didn't strap a .45 on our hip, and walk down Main Street as an exercise of our 2A right. There are a million things we didn't do for 50+ years. And now we are reaping what we sowed.
So before you start blaming others (evil cops), take a good look at yourselves. Then find a place in the fight, and start working. Keith Broaders tells me he needs help in vetting constitutional sheriffs in every county, of every state. Are you in? To the charge of
He’d likely be wearing body armor, so the head and groin become viable targets. Just saying...
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Full metal jacketed and steel core rounds at center fire rifle velocities are also effective.
IIRC, you make a cut (around the circumference) of the hull about the base of the shot charge. This sends the shot charge, wad, and end of the hull out the barrel as one unit.
-=o=-
Great mass, incredible fragmentation, lousy penetration.......
A nut would give his left nut, huh.
Well, something has gone rotten in the state of Connecticut. Even if sanity does come back to Hartford, this has illuminated a large potential problem.
That’s God’s way in a lot of cases. There are many warnings before the brimstone falls.
True, but most folks who carry, carry a pistol, and it is the most likely firearm closest to hand.
And of course that 'pronto handle' could include the 'education' you mention as a possible solution, assuming - and it's a huge assumption - that that horse isn't merely out of the barn already, but also around the bend and out of control.
If I were an irrational cop hater there'd have been no mention of 'good' ones in my #104.
There ARE still some good ones out there, but they're very sadly much fewer and further between than even 10 years ago, imho.
My comments at the top of this thread were directed in re the particular Nazi who mouths off about wanting to kick a man's door in, and then hiding behind a security detail when the reality hits the fan.
That loathsome creature should not only be stripped of any .gov authority, but run out of town with a serious ass beating on the way.
I'm a carpenter (or at least was when we still had an economy worth a damn) and the only training I'm responsible for was of the occasional apprentice.
They learned what they needed to learn, I've had no complaints from any of them, nor am I aware of any of their subsequent work falling down.
That so many police depts. nationwide have been unable or unwilling to screen and/or train their recruits properly is neither my job NOR fault.
That so much of the military may have allowed itself to be overcome with the same apathy via the command structure's apparent caving to PC idiocy for years, is likewise neither my job NOR fault.
All that millions of us out here know is that, while trying to live decent lives and support families and get through this life as best we know how, we have somehow become the enemy to many who took oaths to SERVE us.
With every day seeming to bring another example of the rogues thumbing their noses at the Constitution and getting away with it, those same millions ARE sending a message.
And while Mr.Cinque's mediation is certainly to be commended, the message was/is being sent regardless.
ps: thank you, sincerely, for your service .. and g'night
Immigration issue is another example. I worked in 5 embassies in Latin America, and saw the Congress and administrations do nothing for 40 years.
We elected them. That is on our watch. The 2nd Amendment is no different. We allowed the militia laws to be changed: and we didn't exercise what we have. My bigger point was, we own this due to laziness. But thanks Tom, you're good with me.
I don't think an "education" from lowly members of the public will be persuasive, compared with the power of persuasion asserted by the chain of command and some amount of built in "us vs them" mentality. I think engaging and education is good, sometimes it will work, but by and large it is an exercise in futility.
And not to say it is "just the cops." The courts reinforce the decisions cops make. IIRC, a federal court has ruled that bans on magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds are constitutional, and (this blew my mind) legal scholar Eugene Volokh finds such a ban is constitutional. So what? Well, Volokh is held to be a pro-RKBA legal scholar by courts, and his work is often cited in legal briefs.
Just saying, the police are in the business of enforcing bad law, just as they are in the business of enforcing good law. The courts are a total crap shoot, why should the cops pick and choose what to enforce? Plus, cops performance is measured, in part, by the number of pinches they make.
You might be in a postion of authority where your say so in training carries some weight with the police. The general public is emphatically not in that position of (listen to what I have to say, what you are doing is wrong) authority over the police.
What you posted in that paragraph supports my point of view, it does not undercut my point of view.
Odd, I just installed that on My phone for testing to put on Mama’s.
The days of My Uncle & Mayberry are long gone.
Tells me that the wrong house is being observed. I never dress or undress in front of the window.
Breaking down the door of the first 2nd Amendment Patriot will be easy. Dealing with the community resistance that quickly forms a perimeter, maybe not so much.
It did not and a bunch of Nazi big shots were hanged. This law that Gov. Malloy is so proud of is illegal, that is, unconstitutional under the CT Constitution. Orders to enforce the CT confiscation of certain semi-auto rifles and hi-cap magazines are illegal. Cops should not obey illegal orders. If they do, then deadly force against them is very likely.
The Rule of Law dies when the first body hits the floor; the Law of the Jungle is its replacement.
loooooooooooooong gone...
We the public, didn't demand it. That is our error.
I am not in favor of painting all of law enforcement as evil, as some people, in their thoughtless unreasonable posts indicate. I'm not going to call it "education by the lowly public". I don't see it that way.
There's a lot of work to do, and Mr Cinque showed us a great, practical model in which to do so. But let's at least acknowledge that is was reactionary (Cinque reacted to bad legislation, and comments by police). We need to equally be proactive, and not wait for this to happen. We should get police chiefs and local elected officials on record; then go from there. As I mentioned, Keith Broaders is doing a heck of a job raising an army of people to keep the sheriffs in check. We need to do the same when we vet candidates.
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