I'm a militia member in good standing with my local group. In fact, before my deployment to Afghanistan, I was the leader of a group in my state. We are in touch with our brothers in CT, and we have committed support to them should the need arise. Multiple groups from many states have.
I'm also a graduate of the Law of War course (DoD); and I can tell you there are many in uniform that don't understand this the issue because: they have never been educated. Think about that. Every soldier jacks his right hand in the air, taking an oath to defend the Constitution; having no idea what that means in terms of the 2nd Amendment: THEY LACK PRACTICAL APPLICATION. There is no course in any academy (officer or enlisted) in the military that touches on this. Zero. So it should not have been a surprise when civilians were disarmed during Hurricane Katrina.
I had a discussion with a JAG here on Free Republic, and this concept went straight over his head. A military lawyer couldn't understand that if there are zero hours dedicated to training: one should not expect that their exists a resident capability.
The same applies to police. Both military and police are "process-oriented" people. That's how they are trained. And if you fail to train them, then their interpretation is: it's not that important. If you do not inspect them, doubly so. In contrast, following orders is drilled into you. Guess which one wins out?
I'm also a private investigator, so yeah, I deal with cops every freaking day. I've spoken with cops about this issue 5 years ago when I first became a PI. There are plenty that will not follow a confiscation order. But that is a minority in my opinion, largely because of the lack of education as mentioned above. That is why they need to be exposed (like the current case with the CT cop), engaged by reason, systematically educated, or seeded by psyops.
So your whinny-ass charge that I want to make nice with bad cops is unfounded. I never said that.
By your group think, you don't believe engaging and education is a good or worthwhile course of action. Have you ever heard of Oath Keepers? How about Sheriff Mack and the Constitutional Sheriffs? Have you contributed and worked with these organizations? No? That is where the fight is, and it is on-going.
If you were to read the entire article, and do some research, you will find that engagement and education is EXACTLY what Mr. Cinque did. He engaged, and he educated. He didn't make nice or tuck his tail between his legs. He did it by engagement, and he did it masterfully. Now he has the police coming to him, asking for his terms for a way out. He is practicing Sun Tsu all over the place.
When you say "all", that means all. It doesn't mean "most" or 85%. I assumed you were using hyperbole because no one in their right mind would declare that all cops will take your guns. Really? My cousin is a cop. He is a conservative, constitutionally-minded cop, and will not take anyone's guns without cause. Your argument is refuted on its fallacious premise.
Anyone engaging law enforcement for the preservation of our constitutional rights will tell you that you do not know what you are talking about. Don't believe me? Go ahead, email Steve Rhodes over at Oath Keepers and try to walk that silly shit by him. Or Keith Broaders at Constitutional Sheriffs. Ask them if education and engagement is working, and if it is worthy of our time and effort.
And finally, the reality of CT's 2A issues isn't the cops. WE THE PEOPLE are responsible. This didn't happen overnight. This is a result of our collective apathy. We voted for people that shouldn't be in office. We didn't go to town hall meetings. We didn't serve on boards. We didn't write editorials or blogs. We didn't engage other people, and we didn't educate ourself. We didn't strap a .45 on our hip, and walk down Main Street as an exercise of our 2A right. There are a million things we didn't do for 50+ years. And now we are reaping what we sowed.
So before you start blaming others (evil cops), take a good look at yourselves. Then find a place in the fight, and start working. Keith Broaders tells me he needs help in vetting constitutional sheriffs in every county, of every state. Are you in? To the charge of
And of course that 'pronto handle' could include the 'education' you mention as a possible solution, assuming - and it's a huge assumption - that that horse isn't merely out of the barn already, but also around the bend and out of control.
If I were an irrational cop hater there'd have been no mention of 'good' ones in my #104.
There ARE still some good ones out there, but they're very sadly much fewer and further between than even 10 years ago, imho.
My comments at the top of this thread were directed in re the particular Nazi who mouths off about wanting to kick a man's door in, and then hiding behind a security detail when the reality hits the fan.
That loathsome creature should not only be stripped of any .gov authority, but run out of town with a serious ass beating on the way.
I'm a carpenter (or at least was when we still had an economy worth a damn) and the only training I'm responsible for was of the occasional apprentice.
They learned what they needed to learn, I've had no complaints from any of them, nor am I aware of any of their subsequent work falling down.
That so many police depts. nationwide have been unable or unwilling to screen and/or train their recruits properly is neither my job NOR fault.
That so much of the military may have allowed itself to be overcome with the same apathy via the command structure's apparent caving to PC idiocy for years, is likewise neither my job NOR fault.
All that millions of us out here know is that, while trying to live decent lives and support families and get through this life as best we know how, we have somehow become the enemy to many who took oaths to SERVE us.
With every day seeming to bring another example of the rogues thumbing their noses at the Constitution and getting away with it, those same millions ARE sending a message.
And while Mr.Cinque's mediation is certainly to be commended, the message was/is being sent regardless.
ps: thank you, sincerely, for your service .. and g'night
I don't think an "education" from lowly members of the public will be persuasive, compared with the power of persuasion asserted by the chain of command and some amount of built in "us vs them" mentality. I think engaging and education is good, sometimes it will work, but by and large it is an exercise in futility.
And not to say it is "just the cops." The courts reinforce the decisions cops make. IIRC, a federal court has ruled that bans on magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds are constitutional, and (this blew my mind) legal scholar Eugene Volokh finds such a ban is constitutional. So what? Well, Volokh is held to be a pro-RKBA legal scholar by courts, and his work is often cited in legal briefs.
Just saying, the police are in the business of enforcing bad law, just as they are in the business of enforcing good law. The courts are a total crap shoot, why should the cops pick and choose what to enforce? Plus, cops performance is measured, in part, by the number of pinches they make.
You might be in a postion of authority where your say so in training carries some weight with the police. The general public is emphatically not in that position of (listen to what I have to say, what you are doing is wrong) authority over the police.
What you posted in that paragraph supports my point of view, it does not undercut my point of view.
If you are so certain that “most” cops are good, where the hell are they?! Where are the “good” cops denouncing that asshole in CT? Where are the “good” cops demanding his resignation or termination for this? I see none. Zero. Maybe when all of these “good” cops clean up their own back yard, people will start cutting them some slack. Until then, and only then, anyone making excuses for them can go pound sand.
Thanks for your resume...like many things internet, there is no way of knowing about your purported qualifications. No matter. And you have *no* idea who you are talking to, or their involvement in issues in their locale or community. I believe you used the word *hyperbole*...that and **whinny-ass charges** goes both ways. ;)
And who are these *sheriffs* you speak about? What is a sheriff, in the context you keep using the word?
[Sheriffs here, transport prisoners; marshals deliver court papers]
The ideas you express are not without merit. I’m glad you choose to adopt them with a like-minded cohorts.
When or where has your militia group come into another state and produced a reversal in the way a court/judge has ruled and reversed statism? I was unable to find any annotated victories.
Ideas are the furniture of our great country, without them they can’t be used. The notion that we should *educate* rogue cops is on face value, specious at best. Do they not take an oath? The elephant-in-the-room remains that Rogue cops know their unions will back them up; Rogue cops know progressive judges will rule in their favor. Your prerogative...educate/coddle them all you want. Your choice. My **Thanks for your resume...like many things internet, there is no way of knowing about your purported qualifications. No matter. And you have *no* idea who you are talking to, or their involvement in issues in their locale or community. I believe you used the word *hyperbole*...that and **whinny-ass charges** goes both ways. ;)
And who are these *sheriffs* you speak about? What is a sheriff, in the context you keep using the word?
[Sheriffs here, transport prisoners; marshals deliver court papers]
The ideas you express are not without merit. I’m glad you choose to adopt them with a like-minded cohorts.
When or where has your militia group come into another state and produced a reversal in the way a court/judge has ruled and reversed statism? I was unable to find any annotated victories.
Ideas are the furniture of our great country, without them they can’t be used. The notion that we should *educate* rogue cops is on face value, specious at best. Do they not take an oath? The elephant-in-the-room remains that Rogue cops know their unions will back them up; Rogue cops know progressive judges will rule in their favor. Your prerogative...educate/coddle them all you want. Your choice. My **whinny-ass** [sic] choice.
**Mr Cinque showed us a great, practical model in which to do so....** - In context, Cinque was at a town meeting confronting state reps about how they voted for the controversial gun legislation ....even Machiavelli couldn’t predict the uproar that followed with the cop’s outrageous rogue Facebook statement.