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Gates: Crimea is 'gone'
Politico ^ | 9 March 14 | KEVIN ROBILLARD

Posted on 03/09/2014 12:26:23 PM PDT by SkyPilot

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To: lexington minuteman 1775

0bama knows as much about foreign policy and dealing with the KGB led Russians as he does about how the Medical Industry works. And now its on display and Putin is exploiting that full speed.

Every (and I do mean EVERY) thing he touches turns into a flaming pile of crap.

He is a man who has never accomplished anything so he is a person of extremely little understanding about how things actually work.

There’s really nothing he actually has expert level of knowledge about about in the real world.

Face it... we are all living out the Presidential re-run of Being There (DC-style) with the black Chauncey Gardiner making the day to day life and death choices for our beloved Republic.


61 posted on 03/09/2014 2:32:44 PM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: rottndog
various state legislatures controlled by Mexicans vote to return to Mexico

That would never happen. They'd have to give up federal money, etc.

62 posted on 03/09/2014 2:35:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: svcw

You are correct.
These people want to return, Russia wants them to return, the people voted to return, it is none of our damned business.
Crimean people are mostly ethnic Russians, for them its going home.


That’s false. Get your facts straight. For example, there are 266,000 Crimean Tartars. 99.99% of them will want nothing to do with the Russians.

If the “people want to return” there would be not need for a vote at the point of a gun barrel.

Russians have a long history of raping and murdering their neighbors. This is just the latest chapter. Glad to see you approve, FRiend.


63 posted on 03/09/2014 2:36:50 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
PITN: Russian Invasion of Ukraine, Part 1

PITN: Russian Invasion of Ukraine, Part 2

PITN: Russian Invasion of Ukraine, Part 3

64 posted on 03/09/2014 2:43:17 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: lodi90

No where did I say the Russians were could people
I stated what’s been reported


65 posted on 03/09/2014 2:44:03 PM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains')
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To: LeoWindhorse

I feel their is no reason to oppose Crimea returning to Russian sovereignty . Especially if it is fair and equitale to those who don’t want and choose to leave. Help them to relocate , give them fair value for their property . This could become a new standard for compassionate and mindful partition ; which could and should happen in many other places in this world.


It’s not that simple. Stalin Russified the Crimea. Deported the natives and imported Russians. The process is called Russification.

There are 185 ethnicities in Russia. None of them are allowed to do what is happening in Crimea. The whole thing is a charade to legitimize Russian rule. Are the Volga Tartars free to break away from Russia? How about a vote for them also? How about Latvia? 30% ethnic Russian. Putin free to grab them also?


66 posted on 03/09/2014 2:45:24 PM PDT by lodi90
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The moment of truth comes when the tire meets the road, when life and death matters come.

The moment of truth comes to Free Republic when so many posters agree with Obama’s weakening of the stature of America in the world, while never admitting that they do. But threads such as this one illustrate this curious phenomenon.

“Russia has never in a thousand years liberated any nation, and it only conquered and enslaved others”, said writer Frederick Forsythe in a recent interview.


67 posted on 03/09/2014 2:52:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious! We reserve the right to serve refuse to anyone!)
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To: mac_truck

You both are wrong... Putin doesn’t care about Paris or Scotland... he knows the Muslims are taking them...


68 posted on 03/09/2014 2:53:04 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: lodi90

One of the huge problems - Western media (including European) are not reporting the facts - and many of those not-so-accurate facts are being posted here.

I know people living in Ukraine, with ties to Crimea. The entire blow-up in Ukraine stemmed from a set-up engineered by Putin. What began as a mostly legitimate protest of the President taking more power, and arbitrarily throwing a pro-West path out the door due to bribes and threats from Putin... was escalated by Putin and his plants (think of it like the far Left’s attempts to infiltrate and sully the TEA Party gatherings).

Yes, many ethnic Russians and Russian-speaking people in Crimea (a majority), but the majority do not necessarily want to return to Russia. Crimea has enjoyed semi-autonomy for some time now, and many there understand that the course they are on will strip them of any real autonomy. Just think about the copies of the ballot for the upcoming referendum... There is no “NO” on the ballot. It gives the choice of total withdrawal from Ukraine and immediate union with Russia or Withdraw from Ukraine, and join Russia later. They don’t even really offer the option of withdrawing and staying totally independent.


69 posted on 03/09/2014 3:07:53 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: Marguerite
How on earth did the US get such a consistent lot of bumbling idiots, like Obama and Kerry?

By voting for them.

Sorry for sounding "smart", but the election of Obama twice is a result of a leftward shift in the general population.

70 posted on 03/09/2014 3:31:43 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

“How on earth did the US get such a consistent lot of bumbling idiots, like Obama and Kerry?

By voting for them.”

I know that but ... twice??????

“Fool me once, shame on you,; fool me twice, shame on me”.


71 posted on 03/09/2014 3:36:34 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Well, uh yeh!!!


72 posted on 03/09/2014 3:55:23 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: svcw

Cause Putin f.ing invaded them.


73 posted on 03/09/2014 3:55:50 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Austria is a better example.


74 posted on 03/09/2014 3:58:05 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: TheBattman

“the majority do not necessarily want to return to Russia”

TWO questions are asked on the referendum ballot (in three languages: Russian, Ukrainian and Tartar):

1) “Are you in favor of Crimea’s reunification with Russia as a constituent region of the Russian Federation?” Response: YES or NOT

2) “Are you in favor of the re-enactment of the 1992 Constitution of the Republic of Crimea and are you in favor of the status of Crimea as part of Ukraine?”
Response: YES or NOT

Why don’t we all sit down, relax, and wait for the results of the referendum? We’ll get the answer on March 16th, in a week-time. It’s not our decision, US or EU, anyway.


75 posted on 03/09/2014 4:01:18 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Q; Communism is DEAD?.........

A; -OR- Is It?..


76 posted on 03/09/2014 4:07:53 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Jim Noble
Yes, but the point is you can start with a plebiscite, in which the people want to join the other power (Austria/Germany or Crimea/Russia) and then you move on to other cases where "it just makes sense" that the larger power move in to "rescue" their brothers on the other side of the border (Germany/sudetenland or Russia/???).

I continue to believe that the US should let them all sort this one out, but an old pattern may be re-asserting itself, and if we weaken ourselves while the pattern grows, we will find ourselves with few options, and that is just never good.

77 posted on 03/09/2014 4:38:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Putin foe Khodorkovsky says Russia is lying about Ukraine
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3131341/posts


78 posted on 03/09/2014 4:45:19 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

The Ukraine is essentially a deadbeat nation that can’t even pay its discounted gas bills. Yet they terminally cry about being oppressed. I’m not sure why people are crying for them. And Putin wants nothing to do with Ukraine in terms of invading it.


79 posted on 03/09/2014 4:59:38 PM PDT by sunrise_sunset
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To: familyop

Putin foe Khodorkovsky

Khodorkovsky is a scoundrel and a thief. He stole billions from the Russian people.

He had worked his way up the Communist apparatus during the Soviet years, and began business under Gorbatchev. He accumulated an enormous wealth - $15 billion (16th place on Forbes list) by stealing the country oil as the head of Yukos, using the privatization of state assets during the 1990s.

In 2003, he was arrested and charged with fraud. He was found guilty and sentenced to nine years in prison in 2005.


80 posted on 03/09/2014 5:12:59 PM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I'm very good, but when I'm bad, I'm even better)
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