Posted on 03/07/2014 9:28:46 PM PST by barmag25
UPDATE [12:37]: Tuoi Tre, a leading daily in Vietnam, reports that the Vietnamese Navy has confirmed the plane crashed into the ocean. According to Navy Admiral Ngo Van Phat, Commander of the Region 5, military radar recorded that the plane crashed into the sea at a location 153 miles South of Phu Quoc island.
When contacted, Malaysia Airlines declined to confirm or deny the reports, saying that the Malaysian authorities are working together with the Vietnamese government on the matter.
Meanwhile, Al Jazeera reports that China has dispatched two maritime rescue ships to help locate the missing plane.
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It's a lot of data, and virtually all of it, virtually always, indicates normal operation. There is no Internet service up in the air, except via satellite. That is pretty expensive, compared to ground installations, because the antenna is mounted on a moving vehicle, and it has to track the satellite. It's not exactly trivial.
There are radio reporting systems (on Airbus) that use HF, as I understand; that's how the crash of a Brazilian flight was investigated. The amount of data that you can reliably send over a weak HF link in arbitrary propagation conditions is measured in tens of bytes per minute. That's why only abbreviated alarm codes are sent this way, and only when there is an alarm.
I really hate flying. Years ago I had a career that required me to travel from NYC to London several times a year. During my last flight , the plane hit some turbulence, dropped feet, turned off the lights, and for a minute I was convinced I was going to die.
I’ve never been so scared in my life and all I could think about was, if I die over the ocean it would kill my mom because she couldn’t bury me.
I agree with you entirely. I haven’t been able to sleep, thinking of all the pain and sadness. Thank you.
.....with all electronic communication going out at once. That is the key point that leads me to believe it is terrorism.
Sun went down there about an hour ago. Don’t even know if the search area has any type of fishing grounds or minor shipping routes.
From what I can gather, most fishing and sea lanes in that area are coastal.
“Doesn’t look very deep there. Recovery of the black boxes shouldn’t be too difficult.”
Looks to be a large area of 50 to 60 meter depth. Problem is that the bottom is covered in deep silt. The wreckage could be fragmented and covered. If that is the case, I hope the emergency beacons can transmit effectively.
Anyone remember this crash? If it weren’t for witnesses, the wreckage may never have been found. Once discovered, alligators presented a recovery danger to the investigators and had been feeding on the dead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592
Prayers for the victims. RIP.
In that sea, it is difficult to find an area with nobody around. That is why I am surprised that nobody saw anything coming down. It is not right on the S’pore-Laem Chabang lane, but rather near it, and there is some traffic between Songkhla and Vung Tau.
There are thousands of fishing boats out there. I worked there a lot clearing out fish traps (boo-boos) in preparartion for seismic shoots. The Thai and Viet fishermen hate each other passionately, and both push the line, as they are not sure exactly where the sea border is. There might not be a lot of activity now, in early March, as the NE monsoon still makes the weather a bit snotty.
I am thinking that the aircraft went down in small pieces, establishing a huge debris field.
From CNN’s website:
“Vietnamese aircraft spots liquid and “rubbish” on surface in overlapping waters of Malaysia and Vietnam, official tells CNN.”
There is no clarification on where the official is from(I assume Vietnam) and no further elaboration on the ‘rubbish’.
It’s now dark over there. Malaysian Airlines has stated, “The sea mission will continue while the air mission will recommence at daylight.”
WSJ Asia reports on their Twitter @WSJAsia:
Vietnam Search Planes Find Twin Oil Slicks, Possibly Jet Engines
Vietnamese search aircraft may have spotted two oil slicks that could be from the jet engines of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which was a twin-engine Boeing 777 jetliner, the government said on its website.
The search pilots spotted two possible oil slicks each 10-15 kilometers in length, about 500 meters apart, some 140 kilometers south of Tho Chu island off southern Vietnam, the statement said.
Plane crashes happen
Don’t sound like they have too much confidence in finding survivors as nighttime would be the best conditions to see a flare or emergency strobe from the air.
Bump.
I’d say you are probably right about that.
I do wonder if ASW radar is ever used in these situations, and if it’s at all effective. Figure if they can pinpoint a submarine periscope, they might be able to locate any intact large sections of a plane if it’s somehow still afloat.
Maybe somehow the Air Marshal was getting threatening texts and the pilot got poisoned ; and there was bomb or even worse snakes on the plane.
From WSJAsia:
Vietnam Sends Ships to Investigate Oil Slicks
Vietnam is sending ships to the site of two possible oil slicks that could be from the jet engines of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, a twin-engine Boeing 777 jetliner, the army’s deputy chief of staff said.
Search pilots spotted two possible oil slicks each 10 to 15 kilometers in length, about 500 meters apart, some 140 kilometers south of Tho Chu island off southern Vietnam, the government’s website said in a statement.
“We have sent vessels to the site of the suspected oil spills and they are expected to reach the site tonight. It’s very likely that this is the sign of the missing plane,” said Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of Vietnam People’s Army, speaking live on Vietnam national television.
-——a simple mechanical problem-—
How about a complex mechanical problem?
” The carbon fiber skin peeled off the wing destroying the lift and immediate cessation of flight ensued. The fabrication was done by non union Boeing workers in Alabama. If you want to survive a flight, fly in a union made plane” said the union militant
Lighten up Francis, this isn’t Stratfor.
Yes but they are not wacko Muslims like the radical Arabs
I think that’s the clue - no distress calls, no radio contact. There one minute, gone the next. Something so sudden that the plane was gone before anyone could make any contact.
How sad.
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