Support for same-sex marriage hits new high; half say Constitution guarantees right(Relig Free Gone)

Washington Post ^ | March 5, 2014 | Saul Loeb

[C19fan]

Half of all Americans believe that gay men and lesbians have a constitutional right to marry, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll in which a large majority also said businesses should not be able to deny serving gays for religious reasons.

Fifty percent say the U.S. Constitution's guarantee of equal protection gives gays the right to marry, while 41 percent say it does not.

[ansel12]

The Nixon voting, Vietnam war supporting, boomer generation that became the Reagan generation, is not, and was not the problem that created modern America, that was created from the 1930s to the 1970s, there was no recovery possible from what those older generations had done.

[ansel12]

Can states have gay marriage?

[Oliviaforever]

The 14th Amendment with that Equal Protection Clause is the problem with Gay Marriage and with the Roe decision.

Our only solution is to repeal the 14th Amendment.

[a fool in paradise]

And Gay-BC-Disney-News has been totally upfront with the home audience about their gay former CEO and the homosexualists propagandizing in the newsroom, right?

Don’t ask, don’t tell is apparently only bad policy in the US military.

[a fool in paradise]

But we had consensus?

The issue was settled.

I guess that excuse only works for Obamacare and global warming/cooling/climate change.

[Amendment10]

Can states have gay marriage?

The states can have gay marriage imo. In order to prohibit gay marriage the Constitution would have to be amended to prohibit such marriage imo.

Also, regardless that the corrupt media would have everybody believe that the Supreme Court decided Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) unconstitutional, Section 2 of DOMA is evidently still in effect.

Section 2. Powers reserved to the states

No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.

So regardless if a state allows gay marriage, states that don't allow gay marriage can basically ignore such marriages.

[afsnco]

Makes sense. The spiritually insane elected the monstrosity-in-chief. Twice. A Christian nation would’ve never elected that scumbag. So now we’re a nation of majority scumbags. They wanted a president that reflected their own depravity, and they got him.

As for me and my house...

[Amendment10]

Regarding my previous post, I should note that English common law, which the Founding States acknowledged in the Constitution, prohibits anything but one-man, one-woman marriage. In fact, the Supreme Court referenced common law in Reynolds v. United States where the Court outlawed polygamy. My problem concerning issues like gay marriage is that I don't know where 10th Amendment-protected state sovereignty stops and common law begins.

[Buckeye McFrog]

translation: more than half of us have never read the US Constitution

[Yosemitest]

I'm not buying ANY of that crap!

This is what we get when we FAIL to OBEY God.
For it is written:

“ For whosoever shall commit ANY of these abominations,
even the SOULS that commit them
SHALL BE CUT OFF from among their people. ”

Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.

It was given by our Heavenly Father to test us
to see ... if we will OBEY our Heavenly Father,
and abide by His commandments, statues, and ordinances.

Someone once asked

"Why are they [homosexuals] all so angry?"

The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE".

rep·ro·bate \ˈre-prə-ˌbāt\ a. [L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.]

1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.


Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer. 6.




2. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.

They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.

3. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2Tim. 3.

And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.

But will we OBEY our Heavenly Father?

"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect
that God is just,
that his justice cannot sleep forever."

[ansel12]

So you don’t know if a state even has the right to have gay marriage?

[Mat_Helm]

I could care less what half of present day America believes, what the mob on the street believes, or what adolescent teenagers believe. This nation and our Constitution and laws are founded on Christian moral principles and are the foundation for all our law. The Bill of Rights did not discuss abortion or homosexual marriage at our founding because such sinful and evil things did not even occur to them. It was not an issue to discuss as they considered abortion murder and homosexuality vile and not part of the public discussion for civilized people. What you did in private was your own business, but in the public square of a Christian nation open sinfulness was not in the business for the Federal government to regulate. The Constitution had no need to define murder, theft, adultery, perjury, gluttony, and all manner of public evils and the penalties for behavior that were destructive to society. They left these decisions up to the states and local government to rule and regulate. All power not granted to the Federal government belonged to the people and the states to govern and rule themselves. The states did do that and had different approaches and penalties, but still all based upon Christian Judeo ethics and morality.

As the nation grew and changed with immigration and has fallen from a majority Christian and religious people the sinful issues have come forward and the Federal Court has gone were it had no grounds to go and is redefining the Constitution without a national state convention and ruling from the bench and altering our laws. What should be left up to the states is now forced on us all.

God knew we would get to this point someday. So did our founding fathers as Madison and Jefferson who wrote the constitution stated that only a moral and religious people could uphold the document and government and that the Constitution only worked with a Christian nation. Now that we are losing faith as a nation and losing our founding principles as a Christian majority the nation is coming unglued and failing. Government is failing, drugs and crime are epidemic, the economy and employment are failing, and we are ruled by tyrants that are regulating freedom into the prison cell and setting the sinful and evil that belongs in prison free to destroy society.

So, the ruler of the free world has lost its course and the world has now gone to hell as well. Soon it will all break loose and the 4 horseman will ride. This nation has lost is blessing from God, is pressuring God’s people in Israel to do the wrong things, and is tolerating a culture of sin and death. American’s of faith see this and pray for help while stocking up on the means to feed and protective themselves from the storm that is coming. Noah had an arc and we have Jesus Christ. Those without faith will fall with the evil that is coming.

[ansel12]

When I posted post 31, I hadn’t seen this post.

So you do believe that states can have gay marriage, and you believe that when a family moves to different state, that their family no longer exists as a married couple with kids, or if an FBI agent or Marine is transferred to a different state, that they are no longer married.

[SoFloFreeper]

America was once a free, relatively moral nation.

We have become like the perverts of ancient Greece, or Rome...more concerned with our amusements and sexual proclivities than with truth or righteous living.

Our popular culture’s “art” is dehumanizing, statism prevails, and the cult of self-absorption is everywhere.

Church, you are being tested...pray and stay in the Word of God. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

[NurdlyPeon]

After all, marriage cannot be a right if it requires at least 2 parties to agree to it. Excellent insight! It's to bad that uncommon common sense is needed to appreciate that insight.

I think there's more to it than that. If they want to call themselves married, that's their business. But what they're saying is that WE have some obligation to recognize it. No one can have a 'right' if that 'right' puts an obligation on anyone else. You have a right to free speech, but that doesn't mean I am obligated to listen to you. You and you brother/sister can call yourselves 'married', but we as a society are not under any obligation to recognize it.

[ansel12]

I was hoping you would respond to post 33.

[Amendment10]

So you do believe that states can have gay marriage, ...

Yes, my reservation being that I don't know if English common law, which the Founding States had acknowledged in the Constitution and allows only for traditional, one man, one woman marriage, might possibly trump 10th Amendment.

... and you believe that when a family moves to different state, that their family no longer exists as a married couple with kids, ...

What diffierence does it make? There are unmarried couples with kids everywhere.

... or if an FBI agent or Marine is transferred to a different state, that they are no longer married.

They're still married in states that recognize gay marriage. But it remains that since the states never amended the Constitution to protect so-called gay rights, English common law helping to protect traditional marriage in Reynolds v. United States, the states are free to discriminate against gay issues, including gay marriage imo.

Note that Reynolds v. United States did not examine 10th Amendment-protected state powers since case dealt with a US territory.

[ansel12]

It makes a HUGE difference for a family to suddenly find out that they aren’t married, when Microsoft transfers them from San Diego to Austin, Texas.

So military families marriages only apply to when they are on base, and federal employees become married/unmarried/married/unmarried when they transfer, even though by federal law and most states, they have a legal marriage.

Also immigrants who are allowed in the country as married, can become unmarried by states?

Is this why a black Marine with a white wife isn’t married in some states?

[Amendment10]

It makes a HUGE difference for a family to suddenly find out that they aren’t married, ...

I have no doubt that gay activists / bullies will promptly instruct same-sex couples to consider such things when considering a move to another state. After all, not so long ago, gay activists were making sure that gay couples visited states that had decided to allow gay marriage so that such couples could be the first in line.

[ansel12]

Rather than ignore the post, why not respond to post 38?