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ARIZONA GOVERNOR VETOES RELIGIOUS FREEDOM BILL
AP ^ | 2/26/14 | BOB CHRISTIE

Posted on 02/26/2014 4:57:14 PM PST by markomalley

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To: PapaNew

It doesn’t appear that the votes to override are there. Keep in mind that several people who voted for it changed their minds. A ballot initiative would be a seriously uphill battle, given the opposition that was presented.


241 posted on 02/27/2014 9:32:42 AM PST by Coronal
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To: PapaNew
What are the chances of the AZ legislature overriding the veto? If not, what about generating a proposition to amend the AZ constitution?

I'm not sure how much a state constitutional amendment will matter - those get ruled unconstitutional too in a rather absurd twist of leftist NewSpeak. If the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States no longer matters to the far left and to those in power, the rule of law is dead. It's time for civil disobedience, jury nullification, and other options. Compliance with evil is not acceptable, and our acceptable options are limited.

242 posted on 02/27/2014 10:14:43 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Well maybe I could say, I’d warn folks. I don’t want to single you out personally. Distracting memes have a way of spreading without our really thinking about them.

We should care less about folks looking like creeps and more about folks acting like creeps. I’d even sooner meet a creep who was honest about being creepy, than a phoney any day. Because then it would be possible to honestly discuss the creepy things.


243 posted on 02/27/2014 10:15:59 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Coronal; PapaNew

That seems to be the case.


244 posted on 02/27/2014 10:17:04 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Pollster1

I want to thank you personally for posting the bill in its entirety.

I tried for 30 minutes to find a copy of the actual bill and only found, “commentaries” or reactions to Brewer axing the bill.

Whenever that occurs, I know they don’t want the bill to be read by people who can assess its subsance on their own.

Thank you,

EODGUY


245 posted on 02/27/2014 10:33:16 AM PST by EODGUY (Hold on to your copies of the Consititution of the United States. It is going to be re-written.)
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To: Pollster1

Too turgid legalese for a LIV to parse, to be sure. It appears a dishwater-dull procedural safeguard, to actually read the text.

So it’s been “translated” for them as a gay-bash bill.

I do not know whether to laugh, or to cry!


246 posted on 02/27/2014 10:38:41 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: DestroyLiberalism

Most Christians wouldn’t do that.

Though they might put some gospel verse leaflets in the cake, or even on the pan under the cake. There’s more than one way to turn a demonic lemon into gospel lemonade.


247 posted on 02/27/2014 10:40:04 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: markomalley

- the minority of homosexuals have now overturned the 1st Amendment


248 posted on 02/27/2014 10:40:23 AM PST by devolve (- and so I face the vinyl curtain - I will misspell simple words - I do it - my whey)
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To: markomalley

- the minority of homosexuals have now overturned the 1st Amendment


249 posted on 02/27/2014 10:40:58 AM PST by devolve (- and so I face the vinyl curtain - I will misspell simple words - I do it - my whey)
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To: EODGUY

ping, thank you


250 posted on 02/27/2014 10:41:12 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: devolve

At least, attempted to.

If this thing boils up to the USSC we might get a conservative read in favor of the 1st Amendment. Might.


251 posted on 02/27/2014 10:42:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: devolve

“This thing” meaning the various laws which have presumed to require a bakery to create a specially designed/inscribed cake for a kind of ceremony they disagree with.


252 posted on 02/27/2014 10:44:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

- I recall that some years ago one of the US Supreme Court Justices commented that if and when government and the judiciary goes beyond a yellow line in the snow that Amerivcan citizens will simply start disregarding and ignoring most of the existing laws to suit their personal wants and needs.

- Much as Cokehead B. Hussein Obama Jnior and Attorney Generral Eric Holder have done and will continue to do :

“If you like to ignore the US Constitution - You can ignore the US Constitution - PERIOD!”


253 posted on 02/27/2014 10:51:03 AM PST by devolve (- and so I face the vinyl curtain - I will misspell simple words - I do it - my whey)
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To: devolve

Yes, when the government becomes a laughingstock, the choices are few and stark. To be a tyranny or to dissolve away and allow anarchy. Or, if sufficient forces can be raised, to be supplanted in a revolution.

The early Christian beginnings of the country were a helpful bulwark against such laughingstock status, as there was a wide, biblically educated consensus about what governments ought to be doing. Now our dear liberals openly strive for it to be a laughingstock, and conservatives can’t even agree on the goal because they’re shooting from the hip and not from an educated understanding of God’s will.

The gospel still holds hope for a relatively bloodless resolution, but it has to be accepted for its own sake, not for the sake of mere politics.


254 posted on 02/27/2014 10:56:43 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Pollster1
I'm not sure how much a state constitutional amendment will matter - those get ruled unconstitutional too in a rather absurd twist of leftist NewSpeak. If the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States no longer matters to the far left and to those in power, the rule of law is dead. It's time for civil disobedience, jury nullification, and other options. Compliance with evil is not acceptable...

Agreed. We are fighting illegal, unconstitutional action by the government. We are demanding our God-given (not man-given) rights to life, liberty, and pursuits and adherence to the Constitution which protects those rights and is the ONLY basis of federal government authority. WE are in the right in this fight against a rouge government. THE GOVERNMENT is in the wrong. That should help give us boldness to fight.

255 posted on 02/27/2014 11:11:28 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: EODGUY
I want to thank you personally for posting the bill in its entirety.

It's a pleasure to do a small service for those who also serve (and I've worked with EOD guys, so I know how much you do).

256 posted on 02/27/2014 12:40:08 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: devolve
- the minority of homosexuals have now overturned the 1st Amendment

More accurately, petty tyrants have forced the 1st Amendment out of the courts. Good will still win. I've read at least a symbolic description of the ending in the Bible, and while it's not pretty, we do win. But this phase will be uglier than necessary. We are commanded by a higher power than the Diversity Police not to surrender to demands that cross the line:

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

It is quite clear whether the free exercise of religion is among "the (few) things that are Caesar's" or one of "the (many) things that are God's".

257 posted on 02/27/2014 12:47:42 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Galtoid

I certainly stand with the Idea you shouldnt have to serve them if you dont want. But there are other ways to avoid situations like this and a lot of people having doing things like that a long time.

About 10 years ago I was told a business in Virginia could refuse to serve anyone they wanted. Not sure if that was right, but the person should have known.


258 posted on 02/27/2014 1:35:56 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: Galtoid

I certainly stand with the Idea you shouldnt have to serve them if you dont want. But there are other ways to avoid situations like this and a lot of people having doing things like that a long time.

About 10 years ago I was told a business in Virginia could refuse to serve anyone they wanted. Not sure if that was right, but the person should have known.


259 posted on 02/27/2014 1:38:44 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: Ken522

Exactly. Brewer had to weigh ...let’s see....Superbowl..or moral convictions??? Which is more important to her. That was easy wasn’t it?


260 posted on 02/27/2014 3:03:58 PM PST by DallasSun
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