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1 posted on 02/23/2014 12:29:41 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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The author sounds like a drama queen. Nothing imploded. They ejected an elected official for corruption, and are attempting to regain the rule of law, instead of that of a de-facto dictator.


2 posted on 02/23/2014 12:36:21 AM PST by SpaceBar
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I do not see it going outside of the OLD Soviet Union, or the western boarder.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 12:43:15 AM PST by AlexW
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every corrupt government, including ours, should be paying close attention to all of these events.


9 posted on 02/23/2014 12:57:32 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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I think what is happening in the Ukraine is no more then the re-democratization of the country. The lefties will try to paint it as a socialist up rising which would be a wet dream for anyone imagining a people’s revolution. The securing of parliament, government buildings and the expected return to elections by May signal to me it was a legitimate takeover after the leader no longer reflected the will and aspirations of the people and who broke the law in doing so. Remind us of anyone?


15 posted on 02/23/2014 1:15:24 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The irony and contradictions of this conflict threaten to engulf history books

Former communist entity and superpower commie big brother

Now arguably less leftist than the euroweenies trying to usurp Russia’s in house neighbor

Western media...progressives or neocons all....not much difference on foreign policy really

Laud these Euromaidans as folk heroes

But if one looks who they really are and who’s behind them....Soros....US state dept.....western leftists

And that they are seriously armed

You realize once again this is no “spring” and our media and govt are idiots

Russia offers sweetheart deal but we push for Euro Union crap and who’s more lefty

Putin or Euro Union

Now the Ukraine will divide but they can’t split the pipeline so I see full scale war coming and Brussels will clamor for treating Russians like Serbs

But Russians are a lot bigger and I don’t blame them for wanting Ukraine to stay in the fold

This will likely end poorly and our govt.... and media will have helped screw it up

One calls human rights ...the other nation building

They are enamored with the partially victorious rebels as freedom fighters or....lord is the west poorly led


21 posted on 02/23/2014 1:33:53 AM PST by wardaddy (Bus to Shreveport... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYF682WYRtw&feature=youtube_gdata_)
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Of course, no one thought about siding w Ukraine until Russia started banning Homosexual activity....all this “save Ukraine” is just the Gay Rights folks looking for another way to whine about Russia “not being gay”.

You saw none of these articles on Ukraine until after Russia passed its law...and you have a lot of leftist folks on here siding w liberal media, EU, Soros, Obama, on Ukraine


34 posted on 02/23/2014 2:52:47 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Diversity is just racism against white folks)
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There is not a chance Russia will accept a Ukraine in NATO. That would be a red line. Nor will it accept reprisals against the Russian-speaking east.

But since this is a revolution in Western Ukraine, radicals emboldened by an easy victory have nowhere to stop. And if they don’t stop - tragedy is bound to happen.

And Russia is not Serbia in 1992 and Europe has no interest in becoming entangled in a war with Russia. Russians see the Ukraine as their motherland and they do not like the belligerent voices coming out of Kiev.

But neither the mainstream opposition nor the now deposed Yanukovych government are in charge of the fast-moving events in that country.


48 posted on 02/23/2014 3:49:20 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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George Washington’s farewell address 1796:

“The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities.”


54 posted on 02/23/2014 4:09:48 AM PST by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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Both Moscow and Washington should make it clear they will not tolerate either side causing more violence. Nor will they stand by their self-proclaimed friends if they do.

Just how is the US going to "make it clear" about anything? President Soetoro has "made it clear" that what he says and the red lines he draws are nought but vapor and are not related to what he and the US do.

65 posted on 02/23/2014 4:41:02 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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Yes, the Socialist countries in Western Europe certainly are afraid that this freedom thing could be contagious. They don’t want their taxpayers getting any ideas that they should have a say in how their money is spent and how much freedom they should have.

Just look at the good old boy politicians in the USA and how afraid they are of the TEA Party. They don’t want anyone knocking them out of the cozy subsidized nest they’ve feathered for themselves by making deals with our own oligarchs over the years.


70 posted on 02/23/2014 4:47:51 AM PST by txrefugee
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Just heard on Fox & FRiends that the protestors are taking practice swings on the Presidents private golf course.
89 posted on 02/23/2014 5:09:09 AM PST by mware
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Stalin settled many ethnic Russians in the eastern part of the Ukraine. This led to a natural divide in the country.


102 posted on 02/23/2014 6:02:58 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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If Russia is going to take any drastic step, I think the first might be that Putin will annex the Crimea, fort good, as a first shot warning to western Ukraine that it risks breakup if East and West Ukraine cannot find compromises both areas can accept.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/02/22/the-battle-for-kiev-may-well-be-over-but-is-the-battle-for-crimea-about-to-begin/

“Other politicians have expressed similar hopes. Volodymyr Konstantinov, the speaker of Crimea’s parliament, recently told lawmakers that the region may well secede if Ukraine’s tensions begin to pull it apart. The parliament has also suggested that the region’s constitution be amended to list Russia as the “guarantor” of Crimea’s autonomy.”

Putin may not wait.


110 posted on 02/23/2014 8:45:06 AM PST by Wuli
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I think 2014 will be an uprising against corruption all across the globe, starting with throwing the Marxists out in DC in November.


113 posted on 02/23/2014 9:39:27 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (2014: The Year of DEAD RINOS)
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I am worried what Russia will do. A lot of oil flows through Ukraine.


116 posted on 02/23/2014 11:58:00 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: All; Jim Robinson
While there are doubtless others of late of the same quality but lost in the sheer data volume, this thread is very reminiscent of past years on FR.

The depth of knowledge and experience shared by contributors here is both humbling and greatly appreciated.

Having read most of this thread before posting, I just had the need to say that, along with a sincere 'thanks to all'.

cheers

121 posted on 02/23/2014 2:58:13 PM PST by tomkat ( a million tiny cuts per day .. make one)
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