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The Electric Car Boondoggle (Cost comparisons)
American Thinker ^
| February 22, 2014
| Matthew Hurwitz
Posted on 02/22/2014 10:58:52 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: irishjuggler
Don’t know where you get gas but if I spend 5-6 minutes it’s a lot.
To: jazusamo
Idiotic article.
"The Tesla model S, with the 85 kWh battery, costs $74,000. Assuming that the owner drives the car for 10 years and puts on 150,000 miles, and assuming the car depreciates by 90%"... Reality check, kids: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgorzelany/2014/02/07/tesla-model-s-worth-more-used-than-new/ Tesla Model S Worth More Used Than New
Now, you are hereby ordered to post a bunch of mindless rants denying the above.
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posted on
02/22/2014 12:21:55 PM PST
by
Southack
(The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
To: Sgt_Schultze
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posted on
02/22/2014 12:24:47 PM PST
by
jazusamo
([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
To: truth_seeker
Gas-electric hybrid works great.
Not so much. Ultimately, the fuel used to get somewhere is a function of the total work to be performed, and a heavier car (meaning one with a lot of weight in batteries and electric motors) will take more total energy (fuel) than a lighter car.
The only exception to that is if you waste a lot of fuel in non-productive segments - such as low-speed, slow-acceleration, start-and-stop driving. If your primary driving is on congested city streets, then a hybrid might be competitive on total fuel used - though never on cost.
One way they make the hybrids seem competitive is by decreasing performance. As an example, a Prius weighs 1/3 more than an Echo (both by Toyota), but the combined gas/electric power of the Prius is 98 hp. vs. 108 hp. for the Echo. If you put a 70hp engine in an Echo, it would get better gas mileage than a Prius and still have a higher power-to-weight.
If the EPA really wanted to help the citizenry (which they obviously do not) then they would create a third category of mileage - highway, city, and congested city. On the third (but only the third) hybrids would be competitive. If that is a driver's primary situation, then they should buy a hybrid and I'm glad they have the choice. But forcing it - through subsidies - on the rest of us is not good economics, it's not good environmental policy, it's not good energy policy, and - ultimately - it's not fair.
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posted on
02/22/2014 12:29:39 PM PST
by
Phlyer
To: Phlyer
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posted on
02/22/2014 12:31:38 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: jazusamo
Never would have thought I would have a hybrid. I have the Ford C Max and love it!
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posted on
02/22/2014 12:33:12 PM PST
by
Moleman
To: Moleman
My son bought a used Prius hybrid strictly for commuting to work, has had it close to a year and it’s worked out good for him.
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posted on
02/22/2014 12:36:14 PM PST
by
jazusamo
([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
To: jazusamo
This is a terrible article. The Tesla S and Chevy Volt are not comparable vehicles.
The Chevy Volt and the Prius are comparable vehicles.
The Chevy Spark and the Prius C are comparable vehicles.
Tesla's next model, which is the Model X, will be comparable to the Volt and the Prius.
To: Moleman
Of course you love your hybrid. No one likes to admit they made a mistake, do you?
To: Ben Ficklin
He’s not comparing the Volt to the Tesla, he’s comparing each with a similar gas model car.
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posted on
02/22/2014 12:41:47 PM PST
by
jazusamo
([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
To: Phlyer
"Gas-electric hybrid works great....not so much"
It depends on what your criteria for 'works great' is.
By my criteria, it is phenomenal.
Porsche 918
McClaren P1
To: jazusamo
It can't be done.
OTOH, you can compare the Chevy Spark electric with the Chevy Spark gasoline.
But if you want to get auto reviews from a political website, you are doing good.
To: RockyTx
There is nothing but left-wing/green/watermelon politics between North America and energy self-sufficiency.
To: billyboy15
Of course you love your hybrid. No one likes to admit they made a mistake, do you? Oh no mistake here love it. I will admit it is a company provided vehicle but now that I have it its quite cool.
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posted on
02/22/2014 1:31:46 PM PST
by
Moleman
To: billyboy15
Dont know where you get gas but if I spend 5-6 minutes its a lot.
Sure, for some folks, it might be possible to spend so little time getting gas... if your gas station is never crowded, is right on your daily route, takes credit cards at the pump, etc. Not for everyone, though. There actually isn't a gas station directly on my normal daily route. It's like a 3-5 minute detour off the route. And then sometimes there's a wait for a pump. All of the time adds up. How long would it take to simply plug in at home? 20 seconds?
To: Phlyer
Nice analysis.
I am curious - using the math of this article, what would the comparable costs be for the Toyota Prius and the Honda high mileage Civic?
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
to post 33.
what you write may be true,
but the muzzies will still dictate the price.
as far as, energy delivered to the wheels,
liquid fuel costs 5x to 10x as much as mains electricity.
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posted on
02/22/2014 1:41:00 PM PST
by
RockyTx
To: trisham
Interesting, until I thought of my own auto usage.
Daily commute, home to work is 3 1/2 city blocks.
Daily commute, Work to Home. never the same by the time errands etc are run.
Every last nice weekend is 50 miles ONE WAY to boat in adjoining state.
Drive to see daughter and kids is 124 miles ONE WAY. I can fill up car before I leave and drive UP and BACK on that single fill-up. And it is non-stop each way (but for tolls) Even then I have 3 more days until I “need” more gas.
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posted on
02/22/2014 1:58:38 PM PST
by
CaptainAmiigaf
(NY TIMES: We print the news as it fits our views.)
To: CaptainAmiigaf
What a short commute! You’re very fortunate. My commute was usually an hour each way, mostly highway.
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posted on
02/22/2014 2:04:02 PM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: irishjuggler
“Suppose you spent that 17 hours doing something that you enjoy”
Like, say, waiting by the side of the road for a tow truck because your didn’t quite get enough mileage out of your plug-in.
Or maybe NOT doing something because you still have 6 hours to go before your plug-in hybrid is fully charged.
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