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1 posted on 02/17/2014 5:26:36 PM PST by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

95,000 tons of U.S. sovereignty deployable around the world without having to ask permission.


2 posted on 02/17/2014 5:29:02 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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Offical Uniparty policy in Washington right now is to raise taxes and cut spending to manage the ever increasing debt load they put on.

Military pensions, extended unemployment, food stamp money in the food stamp bill have all been cut recently.

Its no wonder we have to have shows about executive orders, a higher minimum wage, how Obama is bad and Obamacare is wrong.

The emotional arguments hide the political machine’s real policy being made in Washington that will probably lead to fewer aircraft carriers, air groups, divisions etc. etc. etc.

People on the Left and Right have real reasons to be upset with the policymaking inside the beltway by Obama-Boehner-Reid-McConnell etc.


3 posted on 02/17/2014 5:35:07 PM PST by Nextrush (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT=HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY BAILOUT ACT)
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To: ClaytonP

What’s the 11th carrier? I’m only counting 10.


4 posted on 02/17/2014 5:36:09 PM PST by PAR35
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“I believe we can put Air Force fighter jets in some Persian Gulf countries. We obviously would want to do this with some political care and we would want to do it in more than one place so we are not hostage to the politics of just one country,” O’Hanlon said.

That plan worked SOOOOO well in September 2011! How well did parking rows of aircraft on display in Hawaii work in December 1941? This O'Hanlon does not get it. The muhamedans don't like non-muhamedans, nor often, fellow muhamedans. Obsama's excuse for 9/11 was that US forces remained in muslim countries, especially Saudi Arabia! Parking USAF aircraft on bases in such countries, is asking for trouble! The only counterpoint to that argument may be Soviet Russia or Chinese stealth weaponry that could hit a carrier.

6 posted on 02/17/2014 5:43:17 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind, but now I see...)
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7 posted on 02/17/2014 5:43:49 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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Guns versus butter. Butter wins every time. The welfare state will reduce America power. Our days are numbered as a Superpower.


9 posted on 02/17/2014 5:58:56 PM PST by kabar
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To: ClaytonP; PAR35; Pamlico; Chode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y65wZEtk_DQ&feature=player_detailpage


10 posted on 02/17/2014 6:02:55 PM PST by bigheadfred
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USS George Washington

What the heck? This is a relatively new carrier. I know it is due for refueling, but why not get rid of the Nimitz? Crazy times. Well of course keeping all of them would be preferred.


11 posted on 02/17/2014 6:17:00 PM PST by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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We once, in our lifetimes, had a 15 Carrier/600 ship Navy.

Now this.

I understand the need to adjust to technology and potential adversaries but when it comes to Power Projection, nothing beats a CBG.

Now, for the less glamorous role of keeping the sea lines of communication open there are reasonable alternatives.

It's still about PLATFORMS and being able to keep enough of them at sea.

Today a "Destroyer" in USN classification is 9,000+ tons. That's outright ridiculous. I served on Destroyers that were but 3,500 tons.

The USN needs a new lightweight combatant. Somewhere between 3 and 4k tons...but with all the modern voodoo. At least 100 of them.

That and another 50 light submarines. They don't eve3n have to be nuclear powered.

Hold the Carriers back for all but real need instead of wearing out the hardware a crews for BASIC armed presence.

Then we could get away with 10 Battle Groups.

12 posted on 02/17/2014 6:21:05 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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America needs to be aware that China presents a huge challenge, which nobody is really paying attention to.

China has five times America’s population. China now exports more than America does.

And America runs a MASSIVE deficit with China. (appx 400 billion sold to America, vs 100+ sold to China)

America is challenged. Threatened perhaps. Everyone is complaining about Russia, while China is rapidly becoming a major world power.

We need to bring back American industry.

Now.


15 posted on 02/17/2014 6:50:04 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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"........We obviously would want to do this with some political care and we would want to do it in more than one place so we are not hostage to the politics of just one country,” O’Hanlon said."

Yeah! RIGHT! Then we can be hostage to the politics of several countries.

16 posted on 02/17/2014 6:59:56 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ClaytonP

carriers are going to become the battleships of the age.

make these invisible to the brahmos and the yakhont
or there will be a lot fewer than 11.


17 posted on 02/17/2014 7:00:43 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: ClaytonP

How to pay for a carrier group?

What about ending government subsidies for bastard farming, AKA “welfare”?


18 posted on 02/17/2014 7:12:01 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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