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Jet stream shift could prompt harsher winters: scientists
AFP (Via Yahoo! News) ^ | 2/16/2014 | Jean-Louis Santini

Posted on 02/16/2014 10:15:55 AM PST by Redcloak

Chicago (AFP) - A warmer Arctic could permanently affect the pattern of the high-altitude polar jet stream, resulting in longer and colder winters over North America and northern Europe, US scientists say.

The jet stream, a ribbon of high altitude, high-speed wind in northern latitudes that blows from west to east, is formed when the cold Arctic air clashes with warmer air from further south.

The greater the difference in temperature, the faster the jet stream moves.

According to Jennifer Francis, a climate expert at Rutgers University, the Arctic air has warmed in recent years as a result of melting polar ice caps, meaning there is now less of a difference in temperatures when it hits air from lower latitudes.

"The jet stream is a very fast moving river of air over our head," she said Saturday at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

"But over the past two decades the jet stream has weakened. This is something we can measure," she said.

As a result, instead of circling the earth in the far north, the jet stream has begun to meander, like a river heading off course.

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To: palmer

Well, no use defending the indefensible. Those numbers don’t even come close to substantiating my point. I concede to your superior knowledge, and thank you for uplifting my understanding towards your level.


41 posted on 02/16/2014 11:29:39 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: miliantnutcase

The primary cause is the Rockies. The rising air causes a mean ridge over the Rockies and a mean trough in the jet over central north america. That varies due to weather but is there on average.


42 posted on 02/16/2014 11:36:29 AM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: Redcloak

I believe that these researchers should have to spend a month at the respective poles during their winter months before being allowed to pass their, ‘knowledge’, on to the rest of us.

What it boils down to is that they are no better than the snake oil salesmen of the past and should be treated accordingly


43 posted on 02/16/2014 11:44:13 AM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Redcloak
So let me see if i have this. The Northern Hemisphere is cooling. There's record antarctic sea ice, the decade from 2000-2010 was the warmest in the modern era, the decades from 2001-2011, 2002-2012, 2003-2013 were all cooler but we are experiencing record warming.

Do these "scientists" do double shifts as part time New York bridge salesmen ?

44 posted on 02/16/2014 11:51:34 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

RE: “You know, Earth is mostly a molten planet, with a very, very thin crust upon which we float. How come no one ever discusses the heat radiation from within?”

Although the interior of the Earth is incredibly hot, very little of that heat makes it to the surface.

Most of that energy is consumed by “continental drift,” in other words, the motion of the tectonic plates under the great land masses at Earth’s surface.

The sun radiates about 350 watts per square meter onto the surface of the Earth.

Energy that travels from the Earth’s core to the Earth’s surface is actually less than 1 watt.


45 posted on 02/16/2014 11:57:56 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: palmer

Thanks for the info. You’ve taught me a lot today.


46 posted on 02/16/2014 12:07:40 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: Redcloak; 11B40; A Balrog of Morgoth; A message; ACelt; Aeronaut; AFPhys; AlexW; alrea; ...
I didn't know the Jet Stream once went in a near-perfect circle around the north pole. I always thought it dipped and moved around. I never saw anything to indicate otherwise.

Are you sure Dr. Francis isn't just talking out of her ass?

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47 posted on 02/16/2014 12:25:05 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Colorado: the Maryland of the Mountain West)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Like a study showing the benefits of a rising tide. Then opps, the tide goes out. TOTAL BS.


48 posted on 02/16/2014 12:34:02 PM PST by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: Redcloak
According to Jennifer Francis, a climate expert at Rutgers University, the Arctic air has warmed in recent years as a result of melting polar ice caps

Hmmm. Does this seem bass-ackwards to anyone else?

49 posted on 02/16/2014 12:35:09 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Smokin' Joe
Melting ice caps absorb latent heat, they don't release it.

So how could melting ice caps be the driving force in warmer air?

See my response at #19. The ice is an insulator over (relatively) warm water.

50 posted on 02/16/2014 12:36:48 PM PST by Redcloak (Was that the primary buffer panel?)
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To: Redcloak

The warmists are scrambling for study results or analyses to prove that all of this cold weather is the result of warming. It’s the only argument they have left, and the gravy train is slowing down.

They are desperate. I’m sure they applaud every time some “expert” comes out with an analysis like the one in this article. They are hoping against hope that this one, maybe this time, will stick and they can all go back to raking in the cash, getting speaking engagements, getting recognition and Nobel prizes, and getting the prime positions at universities and government jobs.


51 posted on 02/16/2014 12:37:20 PM PST by Rocky (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell)
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To: Rocky

This particular “expert” isn’t on the same page as the rest of them. That’s what caught my eye. She says explicitly that it’s “too early” to blame this on human activity. 2 decades of climate data are far too little to make such a claim. And unlike the vast majority of her colleagues, she doesn’t do that. This isn’t someone like Algore who would call for legislation after a warm evening.


52 posted on 02/16/2014 12:48:30 PM PST by Redcloak (Was that the primary buffer panel?)
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To: Redcloak

Seems to me that “global warming” must be self correcting. The warmer it gets, the colder it gets.


53 posted on 02/16/2014 12:54:13 PM PST by Straight8
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To: Straight8

Yup... Funny how that works with nary a law or an executive order.


54 posted on 02/16/2014 12:57:49 PM PST by Redcloak (Was that the primary buffer panel?)
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To: Redcloak

Joe Bastardi discusses this rationally in his Saturday (2/15) Weatherbell article.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3123326/posts

Repeats a pattern seen almost 100 years ago.

TC


55 posted on 02/16/2014 1:13:25 PM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Redcloak

So lets say the arctic gets warmer and there is more open water. Then there will be more evaporation and more percipitation will fall somewhere. Enough snow falls and some might stick around all year, as it surely would in Greenland, wouldn’t that build glaciers? Maybe even on the NE of the American continent?


56 posted on 02/16/2014 2:57:44 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: BRL

My problem with these kind of articles is that if we are to take the “scientists” as credible, then they should have predicted this sort of model 10 years ago. They just keep modifying the theory to fit the latest weather patterns.


The AGW crowd (who now call it climate change) is stuck on man-made causes for routine climate shifts. Most of them do not acknowledge intelligent design and they refute an idea that is found throughout nature called homeostasis (balance). The earth has been inhabitable for thousands of years because there are larger mechanisms in place that act to prevent large fluctuations in weather. We find in nature a response for almost everything and that principle also exists in our climate.

The mechanisms are macro and micro and we still don’t understand them. The main variable is the radiation from the sun and each day the energy/heat released by man is barely a measurable fraction in comparison to the heat of the sun. They didn’t get it then and they don’t understand it now. The majority of the models simply ignore the sun when truthfully the activities of man have little to do with how much radiation we absorb and no effect on how much we receive.

Man-made climate change is truly about government control and taxation. It is equal parts wealth redistribution and crony capitalism and it has led to some of our most ridiculous ideas - ethanol, wind farms, solar farms, etc etc.


57 posted on 02/16/2014 3:05:48 PM PST by volunbeer
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To: Redcloak
A warmer Arctic could permanently affect the pattern of the high-altitude polar jet stream...uh, there really aren't a lot of coal-fired electrical plants, gas-guzzling SUV's or, my own favorite if there actually is global warming, gigantic concrete heat-sinks resulting from our need to construct buildings close together for "smart growth" in the Arctic - they are all in fact clustered in the more temperate zone, below the jet stream - if anything, the theories should predict that increased man-made warming would occur in a location which would drive the jet stream further north, and warm the Arctic after this part of the earth is warmed - more snake oil from the warmists.....
58 posted on 02/16/2014 9:11:40 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Delta Dawn
some of these global warming scientists recently got trapped in ice in Antarctica that wasn't supposed to be there cause of the global warming hoax and it's summer in Antarctica, their ship got stuck in ice. irony. google it . amazing story.

global warming is a hoax and all these scientists and the media are hoaxsters ,criminals, liars and idiots

59 posted on 02/18/2014 7:11:14 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Redcloak
A warmer Arctic could permanently affect the pattern of the high-altitude polar jet stream, resulting in longer and colder winters over North America and northern Europe, US scientists say.

Warmer Arctic = Colder Winter??

LOLOLOLOLLL.

60 posted on 03/16/2014 4:28:16 PM PDT by FreeReign
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