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To: a fool in paradise

It is a simply urban legend that absentee ballots are not counted in any state. 100% of the ballots must be counted in order to determine the outcome of the numerous other offices and propositions on the ballot in elections.

The idea that recounts will be likely and messy with National Popular Vote is distracting.

The 2000 presidential election was an artificial crisis created because of Bush’s lead of 537 popular votes in Florida. Gore’s nationwide lead was 537,179 popular votes (1,000 times larger). Given the miniscule number of votes that are changed by a typical statewide recount (averaging only 274 votes); no one would have requested a recount or disputed the results in 2000 if the national popular vote had controlled the outcome. Indeed, no one (except perhaps almanac writers and trivia buffs) would have cared that one of the candidates happened to have a 537-vote margin in Florida.

Recounts are far more likely in the current system of state-by-state winner-take-all methods.

The possibility of recounts should not even be a consideration in debating the merits of a national popular vote. No one has ever suggested that the possibility of a recount constitutes a valid reason why state governors or U.S. Senators, for example, should not be elected by a popular vote.

The question of recounts comes to mind in connection with presidential elections only because the current system so frequently creates artificial crises and unnecessary disputes.

We do and would vote state by state. Each state manages its own election and is prepared to conduct a recount.

The state-by-state winner-take-all system is not a firewall, but instead causes unnecessary fires.
“It’s an arsonist itching to burn down the whole neighborhood by torching a single house.” Hertzberg

Given that there is a recount only once in about 160 statewide elections, and given there is a presidential election once every four years, one would expect a recount about once in 640 years with the National Popular Vote. The actual probability of a close national election would be even less than that because recounts are less likely with larger pools of votes.

The average change in the margin of victory as a result of a statewide recount was a mere 296 votes in a 10-year study of 2,884 elections.

No recount would have been warranted in any of the nation’s 57 previous presidential elections if the outcome had been based on the nationwide count.

The common nationwide date for meeting of the Electoral College has been set by federal law as the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December. With both the current system and the National Popular Vote, all counting, recounting, and judicial proceedings must be conducted so as to reach a “final determination” prior to the meeting of the Electoral College. In particular, the U.S. Supreme Court has made it clear that the states are expected to make their “final determination” six days before the Electoral College meets.

Current federal law (Title 3, chapter 1, section 6 of the United States Code) requires the states to report the November popular vote numbers (the “canvas”) in what is called a “Certificate of Ascertainment.” You can see the Certificates of Ascertainment for all 50 states and the District of Columbia containing the official count of the popular vote at the NARA web site.


71 posted on 02/15/2014 10:34:34 AM PST by mvymvy
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To: mvymvy
It is a simply urban legend that absentee ballots are not counted in any state. 100% of the ballots must be counted in order to determine the outcome of the numerous other offices and propositions on the ballot in elections.

If there are not enough outstanding ballots to change the vote in a local, they are not tallied.

Can you point to an article that refutes this?

The 3000 contested ballots in Florida weren't even tallied (even though the Florida supremes approved them).

73 posted on 02/15/2014 10:37:14 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: mvymvy

Gore’s “victory” was 0.51% of the vote (half a percentage point).

Well within any margin of error. You seriously wouldn’t recount ballots and challenge stolen votes?

It was a “coin toss” popular vote that landed on the edge of the coin but that isn’t how our elections are determined.


76 posted on 02/15/2014 10:39:10 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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To: mvymvy

You’re not helping your cause by pointing out we would have had President Gore. That man is a nut job, and I’m pleased the electoral college prevented him from being president. True. It was a messy election, but that was caused by sore loser Gore. An honorable man wouldn’t have kept trying to recount “every vote” until he could steal a win.

Bottom line: the electoral college stalled the leftist takeover of America for 8 years (two Gore administrations had he won).


105 posted on 02/15/2014 10:07:55 PM PST by CitizenUSA (Sodomy and abortion: the only constitutional rights cherished by Democrats.)
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