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World asleep as China tightens deflationary vice
Telegraph ^ | 2/13/14 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 02/13/2014 10:42:42 AM PST by mgist

Edited on 02/15/2014 10:48:52 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

World asleep as China tightens deflationary vice We keep our fingers crossed as we glimpse the first foam of a deflationary Ch'ient'ang'kian coming our way from China. The world's central banks have no margin for error Societe Generale has defined its hard landing as a fall in Chinese growth to a trough of 2pc, with two quarters of contraction. .snip. The balance of evidence is that most powerful Chinese leader since Mao Zedong aims to prick China's $24 trillion credit bubble early in his 10-year term, rather than putting off the day of reckoning for yet another cycle.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: china; chinaeconomy; chinaminerals; dollar; rareearthminerals
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"This will be a rough ride. JP Morgan's Haibin Zhu says the shadow banking system alone has jumped from $2.4 to $7.7 trillion since 2010, and is now 84pc of GDP. To put this in perspective, the total US subprime debacle was $1.2 trillion."
1 posted on 02/13/2014 10:42:42 AM PST by mgist
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Chinese Communist Party Leadership: “Sure, we know what we’re doing. Don’t worry....”

KABOOM!!!!


2 posted on 02/13/2014 10:44:21 AM PST by proxy_user
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okay....I’ll be the first to ask....what the heck does it all mean?


3 posted on 02/13/2014 10:44:37 AM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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"okay....I’ll be the first to ask....what the heck does it all mean?"

And I'll be the second. Can someone interpret this?
4 posted on 02/13/2014 10:47:10 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: mgist

what the heck is shadow banking?


5 posted on 02/13/2014 10:48:38 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: mgist
The Russians play Chess.

The Chinese play Go.

obumbles plays

6 posted on 02/13/2014 10:49:09 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: cherry

The reference to China “pricking the credit bubble” and refusing to prolong the day of reckoning sounds contradictory to the later reference to a possible “massive expansion of credit.”


7 posted on 02/13/2014 10:49:44 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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I am seeing a continued deflation in rent prices here. Not major yet, but in the past year I have decreased rents about 50 dollars per unit to remain competitive.


8 posted on 02/13/2014 10:50:01 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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About time

More accurate valuations of all the traditional coming to maintain legitimacy .

oh well


9 posted on 02/13/2014 10:50:04 AM PST by Therapsid
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To: mgist
Renege on our loans. EFFF China.
10 posted on 02/13/2014 10:50:16 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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It is what they call investment trusts in China.

The Chinese banks only offer low interest rates on regular accounts. However, they have set up off-the-books trusts that offer an 8-9% return to wealthy investors by investing in risky projects. These are now about to blow up.


11 posted on 02/13/2014 10:54:24 AM PST by proxy_user
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The reference to China “pricking the credit bubble” and refusing to prolong the day of reckoning sounds contradictory to the later reference to a possible “massive expansion of credit.”

I think they are referring to a credit expansion (bubble) that has already happened in China, not the future fix. I am like many on this thread who do not fully understand this article since it it is written poorly and jumps around alot, but if you assign "past tense" to the credit expansion, it helps a lot.

12 posted on 02/13/2014 11:31:02 AM PST by BRK
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Thank you, your explanation makes sense.


13 posted on 02/13/2014 11:42:11 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Chickensoup

Shadow banking is financial institutions that act like a bank, but are not regulated like traditional banks.

Shadow banks do something similar. They raise (that is, mostly borrow) short-term funds in the money markets and use those funds to buy assets with longer-term maturities. But because they are not subject to traditional bank regulation, they cannot—as banks can—borrow in an emergency from the Federal Reserve (the U.S. central bank) and do not have traditional depositors whose funds are covered by insurance; they are in the “shadows.”

What I understand is that China has been pumping out money, within China, and around the world, in the form of loans, especially in emerging economies. They have decided to slowly stop the money flow, and the effects of that are worrying a lot of people.

It is sort of like what would happen if the Feds took their money out of the stock market? Wallstreet could simply slow down, or it could be a disaster. That’s what I understand.


14 posted on 02/13/2014 1:26:53 PM PST by mgist (.)
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I am certainly not asleep. I am keenly aware of just how much of the world’s mineral wealth they control. I, unfortunately, have to get a large percentage of my raw materials for manufacturing from Chinese sources. Try getting Molybdenum, Tungsten, and Neodymium from a non Chinese source. I dare you.


15 posted on 02/13/2014 7:44:45 PM PST by Organic Panic
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Haibin Zhu says there is mounting risk of "systemic spillover". Two thirds of the $2 trillion of wealth products must be rolled over every three months. A third of trust funds mature this year. "The liquidity stress could evolve into a full-blown credit crisis," he said.

Hey, no problem! The Chinese are so much smarter than us ignorant white people. At least that's what that Tiger Mom lady keeps telling me.

16 posted on 02/15/2014 10:25:52 AM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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I am seeing a continued deflation in rent prices here

Where is 'here'?

17 posted on 02/15/2014 10:28:30 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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“The US couldn’t contain Lehman contagion, but in China all contracts can be renegotiated, “

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Huh?

What does that mean? Specifically?

Anyone please jump in here.


18 posted on 02/15/2014 10:30:55 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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Try getting Molybdenum, Tungsten, and Neodymium from a non Chinese source. I dare you.

Between ChiFi and AlGore, American sources of those minerals were shut down during the Clinton Administration.

19 posted on 02/15/2014 12:31:48 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Organic Panic

What about Molycorp in the Mojave desert?


20 posted on 02/15/2014 1:07:47 PM PST by FBD
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