Posted on 02/12/2014 9:07:15 AM PST by Nachum
What a great resource you are to FR. Thank you.
I will continue to work my contacts, including a member of the congressional committee, with your information and all the other great stuff found here. I hope to have a sit down with him this spring. I will try to find out what is driving them to bury the information. He is a good man but I need to look him in the eye.
If you have a house built, and the first little wind blows it down, what do you do? The house is busted up. No amount of talk or investigation is going to change that. Oh, the builder will talk a lot and try to skip out of being responsible, but your house is still destroyed.
Benghazi is like that. People can write whatever they want to write. Four Americans are dead.
Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama were expected to come to their senior executive positions with certain competencies. They were expected to be able to plan, organize, lead and coordinate. They showed none of these competencies in their handling of Benghazi. All the talk in the world won’t change the fact that they behaved incompetently.
That is correct. There is no such thing as a "stand down order" in regards to forces outside of Libya. There is only a "go order" in the form of a CBA. (Cross Border Authority) We can deduce with 100% accuracy without any testimony that no CBA was given. How? Nothing happened. Does anyone believe that 0bama could have issued a CBA and no one from Panetta on down acted on it?
Only the POTUS had the authority to act!
0bama was notified immediately and automatically when the Benghazi consulate triggered the "Imminent Danger Notification System" alert. He did nothing.
Judge Jeanine Investigates Benghazi Gate Part 4 - 10/20/2012 video 6:53
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer (U.S. Army ret.), former CIA Station Chief Gary Berntsen and former CIA operative Mike Baker
Howie Carr interview with Col. Hunt On The Newest Libyan Revelations audio 28:37
There are three scandals here...
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Denial of prior requests for security were a dereliction of duty. The lies and misdirection about the "video" after the attack were fraud and malfeasance under the color of authority. The inaction during the attack was something more than that.
The failure to act during the attack is the direct equivalent of desertion IMO.
ONE man had the authority to act that night.
EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
0bama refused to act!
I appreciate the support. I wish I were in a position to look my reps in the eye and ask them WTH is going on. I was thinking last night, in regards to 0bama’s latest lawless changes to 0bamaCare, that I ought to call my rep and demand that he refuse to participate in anything until that lawlessness is addressed. That we all should demand that from our reps. Never mind a budgetary shutdown, they should refuse to do anything or talk about anything other than that. A walkout so to speak.
Mediate, Think Progress and Media Matters did this report?
And they found nothing?
Why do we even give these guys a venue. They should be studied not endorsed
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Herridge On Cable Month Before Benghazi Attack: "Smoking Gun Warning Here"
There was no surprise about the attack. There was no 'failure of intel.' The attack was predicted in precise detail a month before it occurred. The draw down of security had to be intentional.
CIA Sources: Obama ordered military not to help Ambassador Stevens
The failure to approve a rescue had to be intentional.
Sources: Key task force not convened during Benghazi consulate attack
Keeping the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG) in the dark about the attack had to be intentional.
Tweeting apologies for the 'anti-Muhammed video' beginning early that morning, repeatedly blaming all the violence at all of our embassies on the 'video' and making an apology video to air in Pakistan had to be intentional.
Stevens presence in Benghazi on 9-11 had to be intentional.
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Some one set them up the Al-Qaeda bomb!
Assets were in motion. It happens automatically whenever an "Imminent Danger Notification System" alert is sent.
For forces outside of Libya there was no such thing as a "stand down" order. There is a "stand up" order or nothing.
The commentators really need to read the report. It is very thorough and nothing was swept under the carpet. Don’t let liberal mouthpieces inform you on this. There is a scandal and a dereliction of duty, but it’s not what many people are guessing. There was a complete neglect of security and a failure to take seriously the risks of working in an unstable country where Al Qaeda was operating. No surprise - the same bunch had just lied their way to re-election claiming Al Qaeda was “on the run.”
You are right as far as forces outside of Libya go. But there were some other forms of "stand down" orders.
Two denials of help given in this post.
(Forces in Tripoli denied permission to go and FEST not activated.
Sources: Key task force not convened during Benghazi consulate attack
(Counterterrorism Security Group, (CSG)not convened.)
I suggest you find out when your Rep is in his or her local office and set an appointment. if he or she is a decent person they will meet you and find you are a tremendous asset to his or her district unless of course he or she is a DEM or RINO.
...Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey then left for the White House to attend an unrelated routine weekly meeting with the President. Upon arrival, the two discussed the attack with the President for FIFTEEN TO THIRTY minutes, at which time they presumably shared all that was known about the unfolding events, including the fact that the ambassador and the subordinate (Mr. Sean Smith) were missing.48 According to Secretary Panetta’s statements to the Senate, the President “directed both myself and General Dempsey to do everything we need to do to try to protect the lives” in Benghazi.49 General Dempsey recounted to the House Armed Services Committee: the President instructed us to use all available assets to respond to the attacks to ensure the safety of U.S. personnel in Libya and to protect U.S. personnel and interests throughout the region.50 Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey eventually returned to the Pentagon and guided the response from there.51
We know for a fact that nothing at all was done. Nothing happened. Why? When will someone ask Panetta, Dempsey and 0bama why no response at all was ever initiated?
Thanks. I doubt that I would be welcomed. Perhaps I am discounting myself unnecessarily but in any case I am unable to leave home for much more than an hour and his office would be more than an hour’s drive. Perhaps I’ll see if I can establish contact by phone.
TigersEye
Thank you again for all you do here and I want you to know that many benefit from your hard work. You do make a difference.
Thank you again. They have to be held accountable. Let’s get ‘em!
Not trying is inexcusable. Assets were in motion preparing to be deployed.
They were never deployed. Everything else is excuses.
I'm not going to believe that BS! In-extremis forces are prepared to deploy 24/7/365 and have been since the early '80s. Here is the testimony of a former SEAL who was part of one of those teams in the early days. On FR we know him as Travis McGee.
To: tobyhillLong ago I was a SEAL officer and I attended many joint and combined operational planning meetings in the USA, abroad, and on ships at sea. This type of rescue mission is called a “NEO” operation, for Non-combatant Evacuation Operation. Every embassy and consulate has and practices all kinds of emergency evac plans, in concert with the US military.
For example, Marines and SEALs practice NEO ops prior to deploying on every float, as a VERY high priority mission. They involve full dress-rehearsals, with civilian role players, helos, landing craft, rounding up stranded stragglers, opfor ambushes, role-playing “angry mobs,” fighting your way to LZs or even beaches while protecting a gaggle of civilians down to babies etc. Conducting successful NEO ops is a TOP TOP TOP military and state department mission priority. I cannot emphasize this enough. NEO ops are planned and practiced over and over and over.
When the alarm goes off worldwide that an embassy or consulate is being attacked, the entire U.S. military swings into rescue mode, without waiting for any orders from the White House. The military does all of the operational planning and begins to execute the rescue op.
The one thing they CAN’T do is cross an international border without permission from POTUS. So the US Military will be inbound full-steam-ahead to make the rescue, and all they need from POTUS is a “proceed” order. In this case, they got a “stand down” instead.
This is at the POTUS level, it is not a decision taken at State. State and the military (JCS) should be in the Situation Room with POTUS soon after a critical incident like this begins, so all decisions can be made in real time. (I have heard nowhere that POTUS went into the Situation Room at all. Apparently he went to the Oval Office briefly, but not down to the Situation Room, where the “war planning” screens, full staffs and commo tools are all located for dealing with a major crisis.)
But if POTUS punts after a brief Oval Office meeting with Dempsey and Hillary and goes upstairs to the family quarters....the stranded Americans will die.
Only POTUS can give the order to cross international borders. Only POTUS can allow US warplanes to give air support to Americans battling on the ground in a foreign country. If POTUS makes himself unavailable, the Americans will die.
Even the VEEP or Secretary of State cannot make that call. The VEEP can only do it if the POTUS is determined to be medically unable to perform his functions. If the POTUS goes upstairs and turns off his phone, there is nothing anybody can do about it. Nothing. And the besieged Americans will die.
On Friday an anonymous Pentagon insider (”Doug”) called into Rush with a lot of new details about this disgraceful fiasco. But what we really need now is for a high-ranking officer with insider knowledge to go public, risk his pension and career, and tell the truth.
The blame for this humiliating and shameful national disgrace is pointing directly at the POTUS, and America needs to know why the inbound rescue operation was aborted.
12 posted on Saturday, October 27, 2012 8:11:02 AM by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
More from Travis McGee...
Yes, but my point is that they were never told directly to “stand down” - they just never got the go-ahead that they would have needed to go into Libya.
This was all part of Barry and Hillary’s strategy of plausible deniability. “Who, me?”
Neither one of them could be found that night.
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