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What Can New Pilots Make? Near Minimum Wage
WSJ via Yahoo Finance ^

Posted on 02/12/2014 6:54:34 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

A widening shortage of U.S. airline pilots is spotlighting the structure of an industry built on starting salaries for regional-airline pilots that are roughly equivalent to fast-food wages.

The shortage's toll rose Tuesday, as Republic Airways Holdings Inc., one of the nation's largest regional carriers, said it would remove 27 of its 243 aircraft from operation because it couldn't find enough qualified pilots. The news, which followed service disruptions at other airlines, sent Republic's shares down 4.1% to finish at $9.45.

Starting pilot salaries at 14 U.S. regional carriers average $22,400 a year, according to the largest U.S. pilots union. Some smaller carriers pay as little as $15,000 a year. The latter is about what a full-time worker would earn annually at the $7.25-an-hour federal minimum wage.

Regional carriers are a key link in the U.S. air-travel system. Big airlines, whose pilot salaries are much higher, outsource about half of their domestic flights to these smaller partners to save money.

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To: Red in Blue PA
The smaller, regional planes do not have that autopilot unless I am mistaken.

A lot of regional planes these days are jets and they have modern avionics including autopilot. Weekend pilots can get a portable inertial navigation unit with a virtual display for a couple of thousand dollars used. So even a Cessna 152 can have the capability that only the most expensive jets had a decade ago.

21 posted on 02/12/2014 7:12:03 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: teg_76
Unfortunately, it is the truth. When I completed my pilot lessons in 2001, I had a job offer to fly for ExpressJet (regional carrier for Continental). Starting pay - $22,500/yr. Needless to say, I gave up on my dreams of being a commercial pilot. A buddy of mine took a job as a regional pilot (United). Took him years before he made it to $60,000. To make the big money, you have to fly the big planes.
22 posted on 02/12/2014 7:13:13 AM PST by rocket002 (99% of Democrats give the rest a bad name.)
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To: nascarnation

The starting wage is low, but good pilots can move up very quickly these days and the pay is very good.


23 posted on 02/12/2014 7:13:26 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: pgkdan
That's crazy!! School bus drivers make more than that!

No, that's economics. When you're flying a 14 seat regional commuter turboprop, any single flight has a typical revenue generating capacity of 14x$99, or $1,400. A typical commuter aircraft may make eight trips a day (four each way) from a small regional airport to a major airport hub. So that makes the daily revenue potential (if flying full, both ways, every trip) at $11,200 per day.

You have fuel, aircraft maintenance, gate fees, and capital equipment costs that eat up most of that. And the planes don't fly full both ways every trip, and many trips are lower than $99 per ticket, so the actual revenue is lower than the $11,200 figure. How much is left for pilot salaries?

And the school bus drivers are paid by the taxpayers, not by paying customers, so what they make is not relevant to the discussion.

24 posted on 02/12/2014 7:14:43 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I do not want to fly with a pilot who makes $22,000 a year.


25 posted on 02/12/2014 7:16:01 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Resolute Conservative

Pilots Often Head to Wrong Airports, Reports Show

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireStory/pilots-head-wrong-airports-reports-show-22449175


26 posted on 02/12/2014 7:17:24 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sure they do. My buddy’s Cessna 172 (4 seater) has auto pilot.


27 posted on 02/12/2014 7:17:45 AM PST by rocket002 (99% of Democrats give the rest a bad name.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

That would be because so many people want to be pilots, and have the qualifications and certifications. You can do most of it on simulators these days.


28 posted on 02/12/2014 7:19:39 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The only way women can "have it all" is if men aren't allowed to have anything.)
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To: Moonman62

I think the challenge today is the cost of accumulating enough hours to qualify for commercial.


29 posted on 02/12/2014 7:20:09 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Its called SUPPLY AND DEMAND

There are MANY people who would love an opportunity to be a pilot.

If there were only a few who wanted the job, the pay would be higher.

I would work for free if they would let me fly planes


30 posted on 02/12/2014 7:22:41 AM PST by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I thought you had to have 1500 hours multi-engine now to qualify?

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/15604.html/


31 posted on 02/12/2014 7:23:28 AM PST by nascarnation (I'm hiring Jack Palladino to investigate Baraq's golf scores.)
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To: pgkdan

“School bus drivers make more than that!”

School bus drivers are paid by the govt. and their budget for their wages is co-mingled with the “for the children” edumacation budget.


32 posted on 02/12/2014 7:24:36 AM PST by staytrue
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To: teg_76

As I am a aviation consultant, believe it. The qualified part is you need a
minimum 1500 hours of flying timer to fly an a scheduled commercial airliner as of Jan. 1. Before you could fly the right seat for as little as 250 hours and build your time from there.

This was a governmental knee jerk reaction to the Continental crash in 2009 at Buffalo.


33 posted on 02/12/2014 7:24:43 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: rocket002
Sure they do. My buddy’s Cessna 172 (4 seater) has auto pilot.

Does auto pilot imply auto land now? It did not used to.

34 posted on 02/12/2014 7:26:20 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: Red in Blue PA

A truly hilarious story.

Airlines can’t find enough qualified pilots because they pay such low salaries.

Somewhere out there in financial principles land there is an answer to this dilemma.

Wait, wait, don’t push me, it will come to me...


35 posted on 02/12/2014 7:26:28 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Squawk 8888

“Most pilots work 10-15 years before they make a decent living.”

Same for many physicians, attorneys, politicians, small business owners, and I hate to say it but TEACHERS (who get paid by years of experience due to union rules).


36 posted on 02/12/2014 7:28:20 AM PST by staytrue
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To: teg_76

It is true. Starting salaries are abysmal.


37 posted on 02/12/2014 7:28:49 AM PST by Marie Antoinette (:)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I do not want to fly with a pilot who makes $22,000 a year.


See post 12. You’d be flying with an experienced instructor/trainer pilot along with that $22,000 trainee pilot.


38 posted on 02/12/2014 7:33:29 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s possible that these “low” starting salaries are actually far too high.

Part of the cost of a pilot is the risk that he will incur liability for his employer (such as by crashing the plane, or a PR disaster landing at the wrong airport, etc.).

These pilots are paid presumably so they can have a subsistence living until they are actually economically profitable enough to overcome all the costs of entrusting them with the aircraft and passengers. That, because the airline needs the trained pilot down the road.

If pay was based on who is truly receiving net benefits, the young pilots would probably be paying the airline for a few years.


39 posted on 02/12/2014 7:37:04 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("Income Inequality?" Let's start with Washington DC vs. the rest of the nation!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

I can’t think of many things I enjoy less than going to an airport and getting on an airplane....unless it’s having to transfer to another airplane!!! Use to be a very pleasurable experience!!!


40 posted on 02/12/2014 7:37:29 AM PST by ontap
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