Are you planning to fight the battle……
Fortunately, I am not fighting nor planning to fight the battles.
I am but an observer. In a Republic, political fighting is delegated to those elected to do battle.
What I see are Republican forces on the defense in the money battle with a relatively small (compared to the massed opposition) conservative assault force chomping at the bit to attack. The generals permitted several attacks that were all repulsed. Sometimes there were very few casualties but once or twice the force was totally repulsed and beat up pretty bad.
There appears to be strong sentiment among some of the troops to attack for the purpose of doing something even if it was wrong. Wrong in the sense that it accomplished pretty much nothing except harm the assaulting force.
Although we assume we know, we don’t know what we don’t know. We don’t know our General’s plans nor their officers plans at the tactical level. It appears they have allowed the several assaults to make the point. Rather than frontal attack up the valley ringed by artillery, some other point of attack will produce better results.
If one widens his point of view, it is obvious that serious attacks on the flanks and to the rear are in not only in process but may be achieving success. The forces involved are not Federal but State troops, Republican with strong conservative attributes. State Governors and legislatures and attorneys’ general are making headway. Their assault is not against the impenetrable budget/debt ceiling fortress but against Obamacare, the oppositions pitifully weak rear flank. This assault will be decided in the court.
Power or will?……. The apparent answer is that will is a function of power. In the short term, if power is deficient, will can not prevail.
Remember bert’s rule…… History is a process, not an event.
Comforting thought to cancer patients/IRS…….
In the immediate short term, some people are going to be severely hasseled. What was is no more even if the President takes backward steps to redo his screwups. The Republican congress is powerless to make it better immediately. That is especially true when the President is an outlaw tyrant making it up as he goes. The IRS is being hurt in the Congressional hearings. The process is slow but successful. The results, damaging results, will be brought forth in good time to have an effect on the elections. These various hearings are attacks on the flanks.
Real battle, the generals……..
The war must be fought with the forces and equipment available. An analysis of the projected future seems to indicate that at the federal level there might be fresh troops, conservative troops, to engage the battle after November.
Even to perfect generals, there will still be unknowns that will influence the battles. The greatest of the unknowns is the Supreme Court. I have come to believe that Obama has put it all off because he believes that the combined forces of the States and the Court will destroy Obamacare. The Supreme court then becomes his political ally. He gets off scott free. The court will become George Bush and get the blame.
best to keep the focus on Obamacare ……
The pressure on Obamacare is coming from many directions by multiple forces, not the least of which are democrats. By postponing everything, rationalizing abandoning the law as enforcing that which is allowed within the law, Obama has capitulated. He has by his actions, retreated to what he considers a position of defensive safety while he is unable to effectively repel the attacks coming from all sides.
Although we can and hopefully will gather to raise our massed voices to express disgust and dismay, our primary weapon is our vote. Those that chose to desert the battle and personal responsibility, and not vote are cowards lacking the guts to make a strong decision.
Continuing your military analogy, thwarting any attempt at uncompensated debt ceiling increase is the main objective of the conservative cause in Congress. Boehner's behavior should be likened to waiving a white flag, or ceding the capital, or the general hiding behind his troops. It shows us what caliber of people represent the conservative cause in Congress. This is an act of treason, not some kind of clever maneuver.
Thank you bert for this statement:
“Although we can and hopefully will gather to raise our massed voices to express disgust and dismay, our primary weapon is our vote. Those that chose to desert the battle and personal responsibility, and not vote are cowards lacking the guts to make a strong decision.”
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That is the crux of my total argument, that we must try to get a more Conservative voice into the Senate. Sure the House voted to Impeach Clinton, but it is a moot point in that it cost him nothing....the Senate could not get the 2/3 vote to accomplish anything and he stayed out his term and received his retirement so what was the point? Without the Senate it becomes a disaster to hold anyone accountable or make the necessary changes to reverse some of the damage.
Although we can and hopefully will gather to raise our massed voices to express disgust and dismay, our primary weapon is our vote. Those that chose to desert the battle and personal responsibility, and not vote are cowards lacking the guts to make a strong decision.
I hope everyone realizes that although we may disagree with what is going on with some of the GOP leaders...we DO NOT HAVE alternatives this late in the game. VOTE GOP and then take them on to try and effect the changes necessary.
Nobody is paying attention to the IRS hearings exept political junkies. The abuse continues. Boehner does nothing about it. He doesn’t deem it worthy his attention.
The problem is the GOP rhetoric on obamacare does not match their actions. On monday Boehner attacks the business waiver. This was a perfect opening to attach a personal exemption to the debt ceiling. Boehner did nothing.
The bottom line is the GOP does not want to oppose obamacare in a substantive way. They are happy to sit back and let 80 million people lose their employer provided health insurance. Once that happens government run health care is a fait accompli.
If they really opposed 80 million people losing their insurance, now is the time to fight it. That the GOP are blank check funding obamacare without a fight tells us all we really need to know about their motives and future plans.
Fortunately, I am not fighting nor planning to fight the battles.
Neither is Boehner, McConnell, Cantor -et al. They already surrendered. And here you are justifying surrender and complicity with tyranny.
In a Republic, political fighting is delegated to those elected to do battle.
In a tyranny, political fighting is decreed to be obstructionist and/or extremist by both the dictator AND the leaders of the pretend opposition party, and therefore a Republic ceases to exist and is transformed into a dictatorial oligarchy.
There appears to be strong sentiment among some of the troops to attack for the purpose of doing something even if it was wrong. Wrong in the sense that it accomplished pretty much nothing except harm the assaulting force.
It will never dawn on you beltway party hacks that standing up for what is right is never wrong. Defending the Constitution and the rule of law is a DUTY to real Americans, not some game to be played where our liberties and rights and the rule of law can be traded in moves and negotiated for better positions to control the money.
We don’t know our General’s plans nor their officers plans at the tactical level.
Yes we do. We know exactly what their plan has been; compromise and capitulation to the enemy. We see the fruits of these French Generals in the GOP: surrender; implement the Fascist agenda; see-no-evil-speak-no-evil-of-Obama's lawbreaking etc.
Their assault is not against the impenetrable budget/debt ceiling fortress but against Obamacare, the oppositions pitifully weak rear flank. This assault will be decided in the court.
Two words: John Roberts. Nearly every court attempt to thwart this "law" has been rejected.
Power or will?……. The apparent answer is that will is a function of power. In the short term, if power is deficient, will can not prevail.
Like I said, you people are Surrender Monkeys. You just admitted there's no tactical reason to draw a line to defend the Republic or the Constitution while it is being transformed into a tyranny. ObamaCare could have been defunded, but the leadership of the GOP refused out of fear.
Remember bert’s rule…… History is a process, not an event.
Your stupid so-called rule not only IGNORES history, but sounds just like the Leftist mantras about everything being 'a process'.
Comforting thought to cancer patients/IRS…….
Real people are DYING and being financially destroyed while you tell us to sit back and be patient while you party hacks take part in the coup that took place.
The Republican congress is powerless to make it better immediately.
So surrender completely and go along with the Dictator's agenda, but make sure you train the party's guns on Conservatives and join the Democrats and Obama in declaring them extremists.
The IRS is being hurt in the Congressional hearings.
Now you are just being DELUSIONAL. The IRS is laughing at them while being given massive powers beyond their expectations with armament to boot.
The process is slow but successful. The results, damaging results, will be brought forth in good time to have an effect on the elections.
Another way of saying that we might as well lay back and enjoy it while we wait for 'rescue'. This coup will have been finalized long before the rape is even completed.
The war must be fought with the forces and equipment available.
And when you limp-wrists decide we cannot win, you advocate we just throw up the hands in surrender and help the regime implement their coup and pray and hope the next election puts more Republicans in office.
An analysis of the projected future seems to indicate that at the federal level there might be fresh troops, conservative troops, to engage the battle after November.
Whose analysis? You are clueless as to the ground we are now standing on. You surrendered the Republic to a MarxoFascist coup and now you tell us that 'elections' will provide us fresh troops?
National elections will be as they were in the Soviet Union. When massive fraud in 2012 was evidenced, you beltway party hacks refused to fight that battle also and told us it was a non-starter to even investigate it.
best to keep the focus on Obamacare ……
You make me laugh. There IS NO FOCUS ON OBAMACARE by the GOP leadership. None. Boehner told us all, ObamaCare is the law of the land and to 'get over it'. Obama unilaterally changes the law - and silence by the same.
By postponing everything, rationalizing abandoning the law as enforcing that which is allowed within the law, Obama has capitulated. He has by his actions, retreated to what he considers a position of defensive safety while he is unable to effectively repel the attacks coming from all sides.
Biggest bunch of moronic gobbledygook I've ever read on this board. That inanity is in the same league with the Regime's assertion that losing your job because of Obamacare frees you from 'job lock'. War is peace. Surrender is victory.
our primary weapon is our vote.
Votes don't matter after a coup has transformed a nation into a tyranny. Elections are just political theater that are orchestrated to create an illusion of choice for the masses that are ruled.
Those that chose to desert the battle and personal responsibility, and not vote are cowards lacking the guts to make a strong decision.
Those that chose not to defend the Constitution and stand against overt lawbreaking by the executive for political expediency are the cowards.
Those that justify that cowardice are traitors.