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We Christians do NO FAVORS to anyone by diminishing the reality of hell.
1 posted on 02/09/2014 8:05:52 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m a Christian. Hell is a myth.


2 posted on 02/09/2014 8:10:07 AM PST by DManA
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To: SoFloFreeper

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/bible-verses-about-hell-21-eye-opening-scriptures/

Bible Verses About Hell: 21 Eye Opening Scriptures


3 posted on 02/09/2014 8:13:58 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: SoFloFreeper

Fair warning: I’m only on my first cup of coffee. But didn’t someone somewhere once say something to the effect of “The devil’s greatest and most effective deception is convincing people he doesn’t exist”?


4 posted on 02/09/2014 8:14:25 AM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I'm surprised that the essayist did not mention Christ's statement that few go to heaven and many go to hell(destruction was the actual word used if I remember correctly.).
5 posted on 02/09/2014 8:16:20 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SoFloFreeper

” We Christians do NO FAVORS to anyone by diminishing the reality of hell. “

Amen! We do a disservice to our Lord. Jesus died and went to Hell for 3 days for our sins. It is only by His shed blood that we are saved from going there.


9 posted on 02/09/2014 8:20:42 AM PST by Tomato lover ( Jesus is Lord of all)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Excellent article

Unfortunately, too many of our churches are guilty of fostering this mentality.

The road to righteousness is a crooked and narrow path which is why few will make it to heaven.


11 posted on 02/09/2014 8:22:01 AM PST by conservativebabe
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To: SoFloFreeper

No disappearance of Hell we are in it.


13 posted on 02/09/2014 8:23:38 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: SoFloFreeper
Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God

I had some SDA in my Sunday school class... they got very upset every time I mentioned hell.

15 posted on 02/09/2014 8:26:59 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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If there is no Hell . . .where is God going to put these two?


16 posted on 02/09/2014 8:27:27 AM PST by McBuff
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To: SoFloFreeper; All
Over the past 100+ years, many words and terms have been redefined into utter meaninglessness as so-called "progressives" have attempted to accumulate power to themselves and those who think like they think.

John MacArthur, in the above article, mentions the "good news," as well as "glad tidings." Little more than a month ago, Christians celebrated the birth of One called "the Savior"!

That specific term implies, does it not, that a "Savior's" role must be to save from something? Before the idea of "hell" could be minimized, is it possible that another word's meaning needed to be redefined as well?

In 1973, Dr. Karl Menninger, a Psychiatrist, wrote a book called,"What Ever Became of Sin?

In 2008, an article appeared in "Culture Watch" by Bill Muehlenberg, which reviewed Menninger's query, and added commentary about the degree to which redefinition of words and terms had played a part in societal understanding. Here is a small excerpt from this thought-provoking piece (recommend a full read, however):

"A recent story in the Mail on Sunday reports on changes made to the Oxford Junior Dictionary. And it seems it is not just the word ‘sin’ which has got the axe. According to the story, a number of Christian and biblical terms have been deleted, including “abbey, altar, bishop, chapel, christen, disciple, monk, nun, pew, saint”.

"The article quotes one concerned parent: “Lisa Saunders, from County Down, Northern Ireland, compared six editions since the 1970s and was horrified to discover that a whole range of words relating to Christianity, nature and British history had been axed over the years. ‘The Christian faith still has a strong following,’ she said. ‘To eradicate so many words associated with Christianity will have a big effect on the numerous primary schools who use it. We know that language moves on and we can’t be fuddy-duddy about it, but you don’t cull hundreds of important words in order to get in a different set of ICT words’.”

The article also provides the rationale from the publisher: “Oxford University Press said it analysed millions of words from children’s books and the school curriculum and looked at how frequently they occurred in considering how to update new editions. Advice from teachers is also taken before the final choice is made. Vineeta Gupta, head of children’s dictionaries, said: ‘We are limited by how big the dictionary can be – little hands must be able to handle it – but we produce 17 children’s dictionaries with different selections and numbers of words. When you look back at older versions of dictionaries, there were lots of examples of flowers for instance. That was because many children lived in semi-rural environments and saw the seasons. Nowadays, the environment has changed. We are also much more multicultural. People don’t go to Church as often as before. Our understanding of religion is within multiculturalism, which is why some words such as “Pentecost” or “Whitsun” would have been in 20 years ago but not now’.”

So what is one to make of all this? Several thoughts come to mind. Sure, as Western societies become increasingly secular such terms will therefore continue to fall out of use. But the fact that a word may not be used a lot may not be a good reason for pulling it from our dictionaries.

Historical terms were also pulled from the dictionary; words such as “coronation, duchess, duke, emperor, empire, monarch, decade”. But as the years roll on, perhaps many will not know or care about such things as the Holocaust. Does that mean we should feel free to delete that term as well?

Certain terms are simply a part of the Western heritage and are too vital to be left out. Christianity played an enormous role in the establishment and continuance of Western civilisation, so it should not so readily be dismissed from our collective memories.

Theological demolition jobs

But leaving aside for the moment what words we include or exclude from our dictionaries, the gradual disappearance of the notion of sin has far-wider implications and ramifications. For this notion is fundamental to the Judeo-Christian worldview. Take away our understanding of sin, and these two major religious traditions no longer make any sense.

Indeed, biblical Christianity is incoherent without the notion of sin. There can be no good news of the Gospel without first understanding the bad news of sin and the Fall. The mission of Jesus makes no sense if we remove such concepts from our thinking.

Jesus made it clear that the reason he came to earth was to save sinners. For example, as he said in all three Synoptic Gospels: “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners”. Take away the doctrine of sin and we take away the doctrine of the Incarnation. Indeed, we take away the entire message of the New Testament.

But of course very liberalised versions of Christianity are quite happy to dispense with the notion of sin altogether. They think it has no place in the believer’s vocabulary or theology. Plenty of examples come to mind here."

(End of Excerpt)

In America, we have seen similar semantic maneuvers and outright censorship of the very ideas of liberty upon which our Constitution's protections were built.

At the time of the report titled "A Nation at Risk" was published, there were warnings about the degree to which the public schools in America had failed in teaching students about their nation's historical foundations, one observing that there had been an effecting "erasing" of the national memory.

So-called "progressive" imposition of coercive control by political elites, as a substitute for self-government and an ignoring of what the Founders acknowledged to be the "Supreme Judge of the World" in their Declaration of Independence may have led us to where we are today.

Semantics and hidden meanings have played a large part in the current Administration's promotion of its idea of "hope and change." Citizens, in their ignorance, supplied their own sometimes uninformed meanings, and now we see some consequences of an uninformed electorate.

A Memorial and Remonstrance. . . . - James Madison (Excerpt)

"Because we hold it for a fundamental and undeniable truth, “that Religion or the duty which we owe to our Creator and the Manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence.”

"The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. This right is in its nature an unalienable right. It is unalienable; because the opinions of men, depending only on the evidence contemplated by their own minds, cannot follow the dictates of other men: It is unalienable also; because what is here a right towards men, is a duty towards the Creator. It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to him. This duty is precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe: And if a member of Civil Society, who enters into any subordinate Association, must always do it with a reservation of his duty to the general authority; much more must every man who becomes a member of any particular Civil Society, do it with a saving of his allegiance to the Universal Sovereign. We maintain therefore that in matters of Religion, no man’s right is abridged by the institution of Civil Society, and that Religion is wholly exempt from its cognizance."

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"Although all men are born free, slavery has been the general lot of the human race. Ignorant--they have been cheated; asleep--they have been surprised; divided--the yoke has been forced upon them. But what is the lesson?...the people ought to be enlightened, to be awakened, to be united, that after establishing a government they should watch over it....It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently free." - James Madison


22 posted on 02/09/2014 8:31:48 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: SoFloFreeper

I’m about half way through listening to the book “Erasing Hell” by Francis Chan and Preston Sprinkle. They make many of the same points.


29 posted on 02/09/2014 8:42:57 AM PST by Pan_Yan (Who told you that you were naked? Genesis 3:11)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Has anyone ever read the Book of Revelation?


31 posted on 02/09/2014 8:48:43 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

“If I knew God I’d be Him.”


43 posted on 02/09/2014 9:23:06 AM PST by onedoug
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To: SoFloFreeper

We interpret scripture as it was intended to be understood.

If there is metaphorical images then it is metaphor (hide my under his wing), if it is literal (don’t steal) it is literal.

What Jesus said about hell is hard to dismiss as metaphorical. And if we believe in authority of scripture then we must take what he says seriously.

It could be that when Jesus used the word hell, he was using a word that referred to a city garbage dump.

Jesus said don’t let your sin turn your life into something that is no better than garbage and at the judgement must to tossed out. Don’t waste your life by refusing to turn to God now to receive a remedy for your sin sickness.

After death we experience time differently. Everything that we have ever done is present before the judgement seat. Each sin is there for all of heaven and the angels to take a look at. Even our hidden impure or devious thoughts and plans are perfectly revealed, perhaps for the first time even for us.

Without the salvation of Jesus, we are stuck having God’s wrath examine that sin before everyone. That would be hell.

But, after salvation in which the work of Christ permits a way to satisfy the payment for sin then at the judgement seat God’s observation of our life is pure joy. That is the good news of heaven.

So, make sure that you let God change your soul by accepting him in prayer.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/how_to_be_saved.html


45 posted on 02/09/2014 9:26:32 AM PST by garjog (Obama: making the world safe for Sharia.)
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I think the vast (vast) majority of people are dissuaded from doing things because they fear Hell....or at least retribution in the afterlife. They just don’t talk about it. Kind of like when an Atheist will call out to G-d for help when they think their life is in real jeopardy.


54 posted on 02/09/2014 9:48:52 AM PST by rbg81
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G-D gave the devil a choice between Texas and Hell. He chose Hell, we got Texas. Some say the devil got the best of the deal, I don’t know. In this life it seems we are having to run across Hell to get over to Heaven on the other side.

The master whom I serve (whether by his election or my choice) holds the keys to hell and death. That’s enough to convince me there is a hell and things could be get much worse in the long run. But my master has given me hope that I (a big time sinner) will make it to the other side and enjoy the everlasting life HE has promised.


76 posted on 02/09/2014 10:39:01 AM PST by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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"Scripture is a sword, not a cotton swab..."

Excellent verbiage!

79 posted on 02/09/2014 10:43:52 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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The old, “I’m basically a good person, so why would a God send me to he’ll for eternity” nonsense thinking. I’ll bet less than 10% of Americans are saved.


83 posted on 02/09/2014 10:57:33 AM PST by Old Yeller
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God believes in Hell...

The LORD Jesus Christ spoke about Hell more than He spoke about Heaven...

There is a literal Hell and people either go to Heaven or they go to Hell,,,

Their choice...


92 posted on 02/09/2014 11:24:25 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: SoFloFreeper

“For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.”

“...saved from the wrath of God through Him.” There is wrath, and the wrathful One HIMSELF solved our dilemma while we were...helpless. Isn’t He wonderful?!?

I believe in Hell, per Scripture, and shudder at it. I want no one to go there, really (though I’ve dangled more than a few enemies over it before forgiving them, sadly!).

But we have to agree with God here. He has seen fit to allow man to choose, and gave Him only two choices: wrath or no wrath. The wrath of God IS COMING, though! Call on the name of The Lord and be saved from the wrath of God through Him.


99 posted on 02/09/2014 11:59:15 AM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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