Posted on 02/09/2014 8:05:52 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
Sargon, I guess the Lord thought the ultimate punishment was being thrown into the lake of fire, since that’s what’s going to happen.
Oh, I know! I agree with you.
Jesus descended into Sheol, to the bosom of Abraham (non-smoking section) and took the righteous souls who were there with Him to heaven (Eph. 4:8). Some people misunderstand statements like “Jesus descended into Hell” as His spending time suffering in hell.
>> “Until His death and resurrection then there began a new covenant. The covenant of grace. No longer the dispensation of law but the dispensation of grace.” <<
Dispy nonsense!
There never was any “Dispensation of Law.” There never was any salvation by any law. Salvation was at Sinai, a foreward looking salvation through faith just as it is today.
Abraham’s total belief that Yehova would provide the perfect sccrifice was credited to him as righteousness by the grace of Yehova.
His renewed covenant is the original covenant he delivered at Mt. Sinai, renewed in his blood with the perfection of his perfect acceptable sacrifice. Yeshua’s death cannot nulify itself! That is purely the words of Satan.
The Torah, or Teaching, was never provided to save, but to preserve. It is quality of life, both spiritually and biologically.
Satan will gladly divert you from Yeshua’s Torah, for that will diminish your life in every way, and weaken your faith.
Do you believe that Yeshua lied in Matthew 5? Will he not preserve his Torah until all is accomplished, unto the end of the universe? Do those that love him not keep his commandments?
There is much to be accomplished; how shall that be without Torah? The very timetable of the Revelation is his feasts. Each event of the Revelation is punctuated by one of his appointed days.
Will you nullify Yeshua’s Revelation and replace it with the Beast’s plan of registration? Take one thing from Torah and that is what you do.
Abraham did not live during the Dispensation of Law but during the Dispensation of Promise. That said, I agree there was never any salvation in the Law (Ro. 3:20) but the Law showed us what is sin (Ro. 7:7). “But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[a] of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons” (Gal. 4:4-5).
LOL What did you think the change was from before the law of Moses and after? I suppose you think that wasn’t a different way God managed His affairs with man either? How about before Adam sinned and after? Was that a different way He managed the affairs with man? Paul called this the dispensation of grace. How much clearer can it get?
>>The Torah, or Teaching, was never provided to save, but to preserve.<<
We are not to be under the law of the Torah I don’t care what that fake Rabbi Rood teaches. He’s straight from Satan as is the cult of “The Way” and the Hebrew roots apostasy. Putting people back under the law does not save nor preserve. It nullifies the death of Christ for those who follow that line of thinking.
>>Satan will gladly divert you from Yeshua’s Torah, for that will diminish your life in every way, and weaken your faith.<<
No it’s frauds like Rood who would attempt like the Sadducees to put people back under the law.
>>Do you believe that Yeshua lied in Matthew 5?<<
The dispensation of grace had not begun yet when Jesus was speaking in Matthew 5. At that point they were still under the law. He paid the full price at His death on the cross.
>>There is much to be accomplished; how shall that be without Torah?<<
By the grace of God working through us.
>>Will you nullify Yeshua’s Revelation and replace it with the Beast’s plan of registration?<<
No I honor His revelation of the dispensation of grace to Paul who clearly articulated it in his writings. It’s fakes and frauds like the fake Rabbi Mickael Rood and the people of the cult of “The Way” and Hebrew roots heretics that attempt to put people back under the law nullifying the death of Christ in their lives.
No suffering in hell involved. He went to fetch the souls awaiting him.
LOL What did you think the change was from before the law of Moses and after? I suppose you think that wasn’t a different way God managed His affairs with man either? How about before Adam sinned and after? Was that a different way He managed the affairs with man? Paul called this the dispensation of grace. How much clearer can it get?
>>The Torah, or Teaching, was never provided to save, but to preserve.<<
We are not to be under the law of the Torah I don’t care what that fake Rabbi Rood teaches. He’s straight from Satan as is the cult of “The Way” and the Hebrew roots apostasy. Putting people back under the law does not save nor preserve. It nullifies the death of Christ for those who follow that line of thinking.
>>Satan will gladly divert you from Yeshua’s Torah, for that will diminish your life in every way, and weaken your faith.<<
No it’s frauds like Rood who would attempt like the Sadducees to put people back under the law.
>>Do you believe that Yeshua lied in Matthew 5?<<
The dispensation of grace had not begun yet when Jesus was speaking in Matthew 5. At that point they were still under the law. He paid the full price at His death on the cross.
>>There is much to be accomplished; how shall that be without Torah?<<
By the grace of God working through us.
>>Will you nullify Yeshua’s Revelation and replace it with the Beast’s plan of registration?<<
No I honor His revelation of the dispensation of grace to Paul who clearly articulated it in his writings. It’s fakes and frauds like Rood and the people of the cult of “The Way” and Hebrew roots heretics that attempt to put people back under the law nullifying the death of Christ in their lives.
It's because people don't see themselves and their sin as God does so they think they're good enough.
OTOH, I have no fear of hell because I'm not going there. Jesus saved me from that.
David Jeremiah did an excellent sermon and series on this subject. Google him. Well worth the effort.
Nobody's life is virtuous. Jesus addressed that in the Beatitudes. Everyone struggles with sin. And repeatedly at that. We all have areas where we just seem to fall into sin easily, and it's different for each of us.
When you accepted Jesus, your sins were forgiven and the righteousness of Jesus Himself was imputed to (credited to) your account. God knows our frame and remembers that we are dust. (Psalm 103)
Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Security of the believer
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
Please see post 152
If y’all have accepted Christ for the forgiveness of your sins and are bothered that much by your sin, then I’d say you have nothing to worry about.
If you weren’t saved, you wouldn’t care about your sin.
Chapter and verse?
Or is that your opinion?
"The closer you get to The Light, the dirtier you look."
(That's a close paraphrase.)
A very sobering post.
And I don’t doubt, very close to reality.
S:Ourselves? Our disbelief?
HELL!
FOR REAL.
That’s true.
I’d have figured that by this time in my life after walking with Christ for so many decades, that I’d be in pretty good shape by now.
But then God peels back another layer and ooops.......
Didn’t see that before.
And it feels like back to square one.
The ability to be aware of our sin -- and grieve over it, and repent of it -- is itself a gift from God. It's like having live nerve endings that let us feel pain, and turn away from the source of the pain that's hurting us. People with no live nerves (think of those suffering from Hansen's Disease i.e. leprosy) suffer much injury because they aren't aware anything is wrong.
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