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The Final Constitutional Option
American Thinker ^ | February 9, 2014 | Robert Berry

Posted on 02/09/2014 6:12:12 AM PST by vg0va3

Having been dormant for centuries, a potent section in the U.S. Constitution is now in the minds and on the lips of a new generation of reformers who are determined to keep the nation out of an abyss. As America stares hard at the darkness ahead, the new reformers have begun to popularize this forgotten constitutional provision that might well become Official Washington's undoing.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
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To: vg0va3

Most of the assembly members in the states are socially pathological commies.


41 posted on 02/09/2014 10:01:01 AM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Jacquerie

To an extent, true.

I just think there are not enough state legislatures to go for it.

Also opens the door to possible dangerous decisions......


42 posted on 02/09/2014 10:36:00 AM PST by Arlis
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To: Mechanicos

You missed my other point. We’re circling the toilet as it is. It might “backfire,” in which case we still go down the toilet.

We have NOTHING to lose by trying.


43 posted on 02/09/2014 10:45:23 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Arlis; Lee'sGhost
Lee’sGhost in #43 sums it up.

Even if an amendment convention was dangerous (it isn't) what is there to lose? America 2014 is a police state and the screws tighten every day. There is every reason to take the sorts of measures our founding generation took. Thank God they bequeathed to us a peaceful way to address grievances.

There is more resistance among the states than we realize, it just never makes the news. Over half the states opposed Obamacare in court, they all chafe under unfunded mandates, they can't defend their borders and are ordered to pay social services for foreigners. There is plenty of outrage among the states that crosses the red/blue divide.

44 posted on 02/09/2014 11:18:53 AM PST by Jacquerie (Your sovereignty has been stolen. Reclaim it. Article V.)
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To: Jacquerie

Yes. Lots of truth there.

I just don’t believe it will happen - apart from a miracle - which I do believe in......

Now then - what do we do with the actual majority of voting citizens who have a Marxist world view? Who will keep voting Marxist?


45 posted on 02/09/2014 12:09:38 PM PST by Arlis
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To: Lee'sGhost

Yeah we do, we still have the Bill of Rights now which means we have the upper hand morally if the final check and balance becomes necessary.

Now the 2 Fatal Flaws to this idea.

1. We already have the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 6th, 9th and 10th; they ignore them - So what is your basis for presuming they will obey more Constitutional restrictions on them when they ignore the ones already existing?

2. There is no reason to believe that there are enough patriots in positions of power so that an article 5 Convention will not end up being a God-Send for the Marxists. See eliminating the Above.


46 posted on 02/09/2014 1:04:28 PM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Texas Fossil
The best outcome is a purge of DC at the polls.

If it can be achieved, that would be a start, but the ranks of hired and appointed bureaucratic gnomes living and working within the fedgov beast also need to be evacuated.

47 posted on 02/09/2014 1:09:10 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: Arlis
There's no guaranteed return to republican freedom. It may well be far, far too late to effect reform.

But that is no reason not to try. If adults in the state legislatures do one thing, repeal the 17th, all else is possible. Re-federalizing the consolidated government is the key to reform. Without it, little of substance can be accomplished. With it, all good things are possible, and it won't matter how many Marxists occupy the House of Reps.

48 posted on 02/09/2014 1:38:36 PM PST by Jacquerie (Your sovereignty has been stolen. Reclaim it. Article V.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The only way to rid ourselves of this beast is to close down govt agencies.

How?

49 posted on 02/09/2014 2:17:47 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Beagle8U

Aim surplus had some and wideners has some Israeli 77gr ammo. Kinda pricey but its loaded with Sierra game kings.


50 posted on 02/09/2014 3:41:08 PM PST by DirtyPigpen (Semper Fi)
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Bookmarking


51 posted on 02/09/2014 4:12:20 PM PST by RandallFlagg ("I said I never had much use for one. Never said I didn't know how to use it." --Quigley)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Think 1776.


52 posted on 02/09/2014 4:20:13 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: vg0va3

Bookmark


53 posted on 02/09/2014 4:47:14 PM PST by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Jacquerie

It seems that repeal of the 17th would only be the first step, with many vital steps afterwards necessary.

I am not opposing such a move, and would support it. We need to be realistic to know that many huge battles would follow a win on that one.

I do think it’s far too late to reform. As many have said, the problem wasn’t the election of Obama for ‘12 - it was the mass of brainwashed idiots who put him in office a 2nd time after his true colors became known to all in his first 4 years.......indicating the state of our nation.....


54 posted on 02/09/2014 6:27:22 PM PST by Arlis
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To: Arlis
Also opens the door to possible dangerous decisions......

LOL!!! Like that door is closed now...

55 posted on 02/09/2014 7:08:24 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Arlis
I suspect the media will recognize the threat we present after the next assembly of the states this coming June. All hell will break lose in a coordinated attack. Fine, since we're currently headed for disaster, let's have that debate over first principles. Independents will be reminded of a heritage they perhaps forgot, and the radical left will have to defend what they've done. At least I hope so, there is no telling how events will develop leading up to a convention.
56 posted on 02/10/2014 1:41:41 AM PST by Jacquerie (Your sovereignty has been stolen. Reclaim it. Article V.)
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To: Mechanicos

Have you read Levine’s book? If not, he goes into great detail addressing your issues.

The short answer is, these would not be Constitutional restrictions as you frame them. They (the Liberty Amendments) are about putting power back into the hands of the states and by extension, closer to the people. The Constitution means nothing if no one will enforce it...which is what we have now. The LA would both reduce Obama’s dictatorial grabs and increase ability of states to override his edicts. That means the dynamics would change. Instead of the POS POTUS hiding behind interpretations of Constitutional law which Republican CONGRESS members won’t challenge, the POS POTUS would be blatantly defying law clearly passed by the people for specific reasons leaving nothing to hide behind. Now, that could still happen, but there would be NO gray area. He would be declaring himself dictator.

There’s a lot more to the LA than the above, but that’s the part that applies to your issue. There is no fatal flaw to this idea. The choice is, our Republic will certainly die if something does not change. The Republic might die if we try to change it...but at least we can try. It will be exercised in the same spirit that created the USA...but it is up to us this time. Do we defend what our Founding Fathers wrought, or do we roll over and let the Obamunists take it without a fight?

I know what side I’m on.


57 posted on 02/10/2014 6:21:14 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Nothing you said addressed the fatal flaws I identified. Presuming they can be overcome by some kind of magic which is not present in the real world is insufficient to avoid playing into the Marxists’ hands.

Again, they are ignoring the restrictions already present - nothing indicates they will obey any new ones. And, its unrealistic with the current shape of the country to expect an Article 5 Convention will result in what what you hope for - at best its 50/50 it will go to the Marxist agenda.


58 posted on 02/10/2014 6:54:32 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: bfh333

No disrespect but history shows that a less then 10% uprising is sufficient; From the around 10% active in the first civil war to the IRA, to the small number of relatively small number of Taliban today, etc.

The vast majority of people will go along with whoever controls the press.


59 posted on 02/10/2014 7:07:53 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Mechanicos

OK. You’re right. The sky really is green.

Whatever.


60 posted on 02/10/2014 8:46:45 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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