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To: null and void; mylife; Clint N. Suhks; smokingfrog

“This controlled distance makes the bullet ideal for hostage rescue squads aiming to take down a perpetrator holding a hostage close, as seen in most cliche’d cop movies.”

If the frags spread 14” in 3 directions, isn’t that going to hit the hostage and the perp? Okay, I didn’t read the article, yet...


8 posted on 02/07/2014 10:53:05 AM PST by Carriage Hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: carriage_hill

Yea, I don’t see any point to this ammo at all, except maybe to deplete SWAT team gadget money.


14 posted on 02/07/2014 10:56:29 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: carriage_hill

Yep. All 3 sub-munitions hit within a 14” diameter circle, but the center of that circle is pulled every which way by the wobbling scoops on the ends of the strings.


15 posted on 02/07/2014 10:56:45 AM PST by null and void (<--- unwilling cattle-car passenger on the bullet train to serfdom)
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To: carriage_hill
If you're going for a hostage taker with the victim held close, you want pin point accuracy with the round on the hostage taker, not the hostage. Something that spreads uncontrollably is the last damn thing you want your sniper using. The round probably isn't bad in a .45Auto in a close quarters confrontation. You don't usually get that luxury with a hostage taker.
21 posted on 02/07/2014 10:59:45 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: carriage_hill
“This controlled distance makes the bullet ideal for hostage rescue squads aiming to take down a perpetrator holding a hostage close, as seen in most cliche’d cop movies.”

The author of the article doesn't know the first thing about guns, ammo or ballistics. This is obvious by his confusion between the different designation of ammunition. He confuses MM with caliber (as in 9mm Vs. .45ACP). Thus he thinks this ammunition is 45mm. I expect he is also confusing a couple of tidbits of things he's read and heard regarding this or any other ammunition. The statement above obviously makes no sense at all to knowledgeable folks.

Another total dunce reporting out of his element

44 posted on 02/07/2014 11:13:19 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and avarice pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: carriage_hill

Well, chances of hitting both are certainly increased.


54 posted on 02/07/2014 11:22:21 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th (and 17th))
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To: carriage_hill

Yeah I thought that line blew the authors credibility away.


60 posted on 02/07/2014 11:30:22 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: carriage_hill
If the frags spread 14” in 3 directions, isn’t that going to hit the hostage and the perp?

That was my first thought. But the article calls the casing a "shell" so I don't know how accurate it is. Last time I looked .45s shot cartridges not shells.

62 posted on 02/07/2014 11:37:59 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (Even Forrest Gump got into Alabama...)
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To: carriage_hill

The important thing in any hostage situation is accurate shot placement.

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105 posted on 02/07/2014 3:16:55 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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