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EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People
Forbes ^ | 1-29-14 | Larry Bell,

Posted on 02/03/2014 4:33:29 PM PST by dynachrome

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To: MagnoliaB
The answer is that the politicans, even the stupid democrats and rinos, will shut this regulation down if there are enough complaints.

You are correct that they are closing down coal plants and the irony is that they are using the same particulate standards even though coal plants produce orders of magnitude less particulates than wood stoves on a energy-produced basis.

Your other examples are also all correct. There comes a point in time where such a government has to be reset, but in the meantime we have to fight these politically.

201 posted on 02/04/2014 3:41:09 AM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: MagnoliaB; Smokin' Joe
I can't think of a better way to dissolve the EPA than to publicize the hell out of regulations like this:

(e) Pellet Fuel Requirements. Operators of wood heaters that are certified to burn pellet fuels may only burn pellets that have been produced under a licensing agreement with the Pellet Fuels Institute or an equivalent organization approved by the EPA. The pellet fuel must meet the following minimum requirements:

(1) Density: consistent hardness and energy content with a minimum density of 38 pounds/cubic foot;

(2) Dimensions: maximum length of 1.5 inches and diameter between 0.230 and 0.285 inches;

(3) Inorganic fines: less than or equal to 1 percent;

(4) Chlorides: less than or equal to 300 parts per million by weight;

(5) Ash content: no more than 2 percent; and

(6) A quality assurance process licensed by the Pellet Fuels Institute or equivalent organization approved by EPA.

202 posted on 02/04/2014 3:44:39 AM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: MagnoliaB
The central heat (forced air) was added as an afterthought in the 60s during a major remodel (before I bought the place). It still works, and in this climate (North Dakota) beats heating with wood. I have done that in the winter here (one of the worst in the last 50 years--static air temps to -60F), and that just wasn't any fun at all.

It wouldn't be so bad in a warmer climate.

203 posted on 02/04/2014 3:55:15 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: palmer
How about the EPA giving a chunk of Wyoming to an Indian Tribe (not legal to alter the boundaries of a State without Congressional approval, for starters).

Of course, that chunk included a town where the EPA tried to claim fracking had ruined the groundwater (Pavilion, WY), but had done such a lousy job of constructing their test wells the USGS wouldn't sign off on the results (turns out the EPA had drilled down into a hydrocarbon bearing formation, among other things.

The EPA has no Constitutional mandate, nor authority, and should be dissolved.

Environmental issues should only hit the Federal level if they involve States which cannot resolve those issues, otherwise, the states should have their own standards and enforcement. It should not be a Federal issue.

There is simply no way a wood stove in a house on the prairies of North Dakota will have the same impact as one in an urban area on air quality, and the one-size-fits-all regulations of Federal agencies don't fit.

204 posted on 02/04/2014 4:06:56 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: dynachrome

Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont”

…I love it! My wife’s dips&&t lib brother lives there and uses 100% wood to heat his home. As for these states, let them suffer. They voted for it.


205 posted on 02/04/2014 4:22:02 AM PST by albie
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To: dynachrome

irrational money grubbing eco-nazi ping


206 posted on 02/04/2014 4:35:33 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I live in a warmer climate (central NC) and got the last room gutted and insulated and new windows before last winter came. Last winter here wasn't all that cold but even with this winter, that has been the harshest in 20 years, I usually can't build a very big fire or I have to open doors to cool things off. Had to buy an Edenpure heater to use to knock the chill off, when necessary, because I can't seem to build a fire small enough without feeling cooked. Have bought two cords of wood this winter @ $60. ea and one trailer (cord) of blocks from a pallet place @ $20. Already have jonquils pushing up so likely two more cords will probably do it at most.
207 posted on 02/04/2014 5:07:50 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: bike800
"Since they can’t tax wood for your heating...they will just make it harder for you do use it.."

Rumor has it that EPA administrators produce a very hot flame when used as furnace fuel.
208 posted on 02/04/2014 5:37:11 AM PST by clearcarbon
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To: dynachrome
If you hve a wood stove or a wood fired boiler for heat, in these states, you will be a criminal pretty soon.

That is untrue.

The EPA released a list of approved stoves that can be sold.
If you SELL a stove on this list you are in violation of EPA regs. No one who owns one is in violation. I have read the EPA documents on this.

The whole issue is being over-hyped as Fascism marching into everyone's living room by way of the EPA.

Not that it isn't but these wood stove regs ain't it.

209 posted on 02/04/2014 6:42:06 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: informavoracious

I think you’re right, and the socialists push their agenda incrementally. I haven’t read what this law is exactly about, but any law or regulation the leftards push that moves the ball a yard, confuses or conflicts with other regs, etc. they call it a win.

I’m a former 40 some year Western NY’er and travelled throughout the State during all seasons. NEVER did I detect a problem (air quality) with wood burning stoves. I’m also not rich, and neither were many of my friends who used wood burning as a PRIMARY source of heat. It simply costs less than the taxed, surcharged, and expensive gas and electric.


210 posted on 02/04/2014 6:50:58 AM PST by Made In The USA (I'm not yelling, just... just talking enthusiastically..)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I'd like your opinion on these proposed regs: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EPA-HQ-OAR-2009-0734-0001
211 posted on 02/04/2014 6:56:27 AM PST by palmer (don't feed the bears)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It will be these goons.

I see...several un-armored 'pink spots' on 'these goons' who do not occupy the high ground.

Of course, based on where that photo was taken (Watertown, MA), you'd be hard pressed to find even one person equipped or willing to take advantage of those observations.

212 posted on 02/04/2014 7:00:18 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“BAN wood burning stoves?”

Not quite- they are banning the sale of “noncompliant” stoves. Existing stoves are not part of the regs. But...If you have your wood burning stove, you can keep it, period.


213 posted on 02/04/2014 7:03:17 AM PST by DBrow
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To: palmer

Those are updated and newer than the regulatory document I read 2 months ago. I cannot comment on its entirety other than to say, save for the manufacture and sale entities, it looks completely unenforceable without the loss of life of EPA or other agents of the law.


214 posted on 02/04/2014 7:14:15 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Don’t most of these states have . . . oh, what’s that term . . . WINTER???

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This has nothing to do with particulates in the air and everything to do with leftist totalitarian fascism.


215 posted on 02/04/2014 7:16:41 AM PST by Chickensoup (leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: castlegreyskull

“They won’t be happy until people start burning garbage inside their house for heat.”

Citizen, we have learned that you are NOT composting for the Community Garden. Are you burning recyclables in your home?


216 posted on 02/04/2014 7:26:46 AM PST by DBrow
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To: dynachrome

Good luck with that carpola in GA.


217 posted on 02/04/2014 7:33:43 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MagnoliaB

“Since when does the EPA give a rats patootie about what the majority of Americans think?”

They have comment periods that anyone, even you and I, can input to. In addition they’ll have face-to-face public meetings all over the USA and you can go, ask for clarifications, and express your concerns, while looking them in the eye.

I have been to the F2F meetings. Typically there are less than 30 people who show up. They DO pay attention, do publish comments, but if it looks to them like nobody cares nothing changes.

Now if we can get 300 people to show up at each comment meeting, and 30000 to put in written comments, things will be different. The tools for us to communicate are there but we don’t use them, most of us don’t even READ the regulations.


218 posted on 02/04/2014 7:40:24 AM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

So where do they (the EPA) advertise this to let people know the when, where and what about these meetings and comments?


219 posted on 02/04/2014 8:14:28 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: tet68

I imagine you are correct.


220 posted on 02/04/2014 8:15:48 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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